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Post by eno » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:26 pm

I fell in love with guitar+flute duos since I heard Steve and John Hasketts "Kim" 30 years ago. After that never got tired of listening to those duos and I'm playing some of those duos myself with flute on MIDI guitar.
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Post by Joe de V » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:23 pm

Michael.N. wrote:I prefer the recorder. Somehow I think it sounds like a more harmonious combination.


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I play with two small ensembles and have at times combined the Recorder group ( I play the Alto Recorder and the CG ) with the CG and find it a very enjoyable and indeed very harmonious combination. There are several sources to find music duets that utilizes both instruements.

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Post by tcee » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:03 am

soltirefa wrote:I don't like guitar and flute duos. I find the flute shrill, especially if the player isn't really good. Often I will start off liking it, but within a short time I want to stop listening. Any other oddballs like me out there?
I have the same feeling although not with all kinds of flutes. It may be some childhood trauma as even the most virtuous flute playing reminds me of my 8 year old self playing flute under the christmas tree and bursting the champagne glasses. Lol, I can't get this sound of my memory.
One exception for me is the japanese Shakuhachi though. Probably because it doesn't remind me much of anything.

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Post by zupfgeiger » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:13 am

I agree on the duo. Listening to guitar/flute duos I think they somehow don't fit together. But in general I like the flute very much, especially jazz flutists Jeremy Steig and Herbie Man.
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Post by Norbert Neunzling » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:23 am

I once had the opportunity to hear a flute/guitar duo live where the flutist used a wooden flute - not a recorder, but a proper wooden concert flute. Slightly more mellow in tone and a not that overpowering in volume it was a really nice evening.
The balance between the two instruments was way better than usually with this combination, where the guitar player is forced to always play in the upper dynamic range of his instrument.
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Post by Petemayo » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:31 pm

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I was a fan of Steve Hackett's nylon string guitar works back in the eighties. I would say he was a huge influence on my studying classical, alongside flamenco when I started taking nylon strings more seriously about fourteen years ago.
It was there guitar intro to "Blood on the Rooftops" that really got me into guitar.

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Post by Stephen Kenyon » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:40 pm

I'd say it depends on the flautist remembering they are not playing over an orchestra or a piano, as they are most used to, and mollifying the tone and volume - while keeping the intonation. Quite a few such duos one comes across are relatively short-term and so the flute player may not have got used to the new combination. Really established duos would be the thing upon which to base a view.
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Post by ddray » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:00 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:13 pm
I don't like guitar and flute duos. I find the flute shrill, especially if the player isn't really good. Often I will start off liking it, but within a short time I want to stop listening. Any other oddballs like me out there?
Personally I think flutes went downhill when they became metal and were covered in a hundred keys. A guitar/traverso (baroque flute) combo might sound better. The sound is softer and prettier than the blaring sound (to me) of the modern instrument.

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Post by Claughton » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:56 pm

I am not a fan either but this is more to do with not liking the flute than any other reason. I have tried to like the flute, I really have, honestly. Some of my best friends are flute players, even flautists 😊 but I just don't care for it. Yes I do like the recorder and think it goes very well with the guitar. I like the rather renaissance sound with the recorder; it is pleasing and can be both melancholy or cheerful...but, sadly, the flute is not for me. Neither is the harp, by the way, as a solo instrument nor with the guitar. Indeed I have about the same tolerance level for the harp as the flute. It is my loss I am sure as many friends extol the virtues of both instruments but I just can't appreciate them.

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Post by Jeremiah Lawson » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:59 pm

all of Feasley's albums with the d'Amore Duo are worth checking out. He has a pretty good variety of repertoire from the history of the literature

Falls Flyer is another CD of oboe and guitar duets I really like, though that could/should be an entirely separate post/thread if we go beyond a few cursory mentions

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Post by ddray » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:21 am

Claughton wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:56 pm
I like the rather renaissance sound with the recorder; it is pleasing and can be both melancholy or cheerful...but, sadly, the flute is not for me. ...
I think the development of the flute was practical and necessary when it comes to being able to be heard in the modern orchestra without being drowned out. However in my opinion anyway it probably lost a lot of its charm as a solo and chamber instrument in the process. I'm a recorder fan as well. It's "flatter" than the flute but I've always loved the edge of sadness in the tone of the alto and tenor. I think of the guitar and recorder as being "introverted" instruments.

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Post by Jeremiah Lawson » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:25 pm

ddray, I do love both instruments but the recorder has been added to the cycle of duo sonatas for guitar with woodwinds, strings and brass that I've been working on since slightly before the start of 2000. The alto recorder has a particularly nice sound. :)

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Post by jayjayrose » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:08 pm

I think programming is the key to success. I still love listening to Laurindo Almeida's two early albums: Conversations With The Guitar and Duets With Spanish Guitar. He alternates guitar duos with voice (Salli Terri!!!!), flute and clarinet.
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Post by rojarosguitar » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:56 pm

I think it depends very much on the players. Flute is surprisingly loud, and if the duo partner aren't really tuned into each other, the guitars' subtleties get easily lost. If played well, it can be marvelous.

I think eg. Klaus Jäckle and Charlote Kinateder get it right: Search YT for Richard Wagner: Walkürenritt Duo Charlotte Kinateder, Flöte, Klaus Jäckle, Gitarre ...

Or search YT for: THE CLASSICAL FLUTE AND GUITAR PROJECT: Mozart: Fantasia in d K.397
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Post by soltirefa » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:26 pm

Or search YT for: THE CLASSICAL FLUTE AND GUITAR PROJECT: Mozart: Fantasia in d K.397
Lovely, I liked it a lot. And you're right, if the flute player can be sensitive to not drowning out the guitar or overpowering the duo it can really be nice. It sure makes a heck of a difference when the flute player is that good.

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