Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

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Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby julevars » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:46 am

Hello, as the title says I'm looking for some pieces that create a dark or haunting vibe. I've noticed that therethere isn't much guitar music of this kind which seems normal if you consider the sound of the insrument. What I mean is that for piano for example, which has more dynamics and octaves , you can find much more music ofthis style, like the russians (shostakovich, rachmaninoff, prokofiev), grieg, stockhausen , of course chopin and many more. There are though some great pieces for guitar too. Great examples are Nikita Koshkin-Usher Waltz and Armand Coeck-Constellations. So I hope I gave you some food for thought and can't wait to see your responses :-)

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby bear » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:13 am

As you said, not much for cg but I always liked Debussy The Sunken Cathedral. I've never seen anything but a piano score but you might make something from it.
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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby julevars » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:26 am

It is indeed a great one butbut haven't seen any decent transcription. Mario Parodi transcripted some other stuff of Debussy and did a really great work. Actually now that I think of it, Coeck who I mentioned on the title reminds me a little of Debussy.

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Postby Lovemyguitar » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:04 am

I like haunting/dark/contemporary pieces, too, and after a quick look through my CD collection of solo guitar music actually written for the guitar (except the Steidl, which has some transcriptions), the following CDs may interest you (although, of course, "haunting and dark" may be subjective to some degree)...

- "Australian Guitar Music" - various composers played by Aleksandr Tsiboulski
- "Music of Memory" - various composers played by Antonis Hatzinikolaou
- "21st Century Spanish Guitar Music Vol. 1" - various composers played by Adam Levin (there is also a Vol. 2 recently released, but I've not heard it yet)
- "a ty taky jdi do Ithaky" - various composers played by Pavel Steidl
- "Aquarelles" - the music of Kai Nieminen, played by John Mills.

Single pieces that come to mind are:

"Mano a Mano" by Lindberg
"Nunc" by Petrassi
"The Blue Guitar" by Tippett
"Nocturnal" by Britten (!)

I look forward to what others may suggest!

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby julevars » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:08 am

Hello thanks for your quick and useful response. I'm familiar with the pieces you mentioned and now digging your album selections. Some really interesting stuff, right now i'm listening to Kai Nieminen's music and really enjoying it! Seems like we have similar taste so i'd love to have some more suggestions from you, perhaps atonal but also some more tonal pieces in a haunting way like Coeck's and Koshkin's pieces I mentioned

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby julevars » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:10 am

Also any transcription with an interesting arrangement is welcomed :-)

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Altophile » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:59 am

julevars wrote:Hello, as the title says I'm looking for some pieces that create a dark or haunting vibe. I've noticed that therethere isn't much guitar music of this kind which seems normal if you consider the sound of the insrument. What I mean is that for piano for example, which has more dynamics and octaves , you can find much more music ofthis style, like the russians (shostakovich, rachmaninoff, prokofiev), grieg, stockhausen , of course chopin and many more. There are though some great pieces for guitar too. Great examples are Nikita Koshkin-Usher Waltz and Armand Coeck-Constellations. So I hope I gave you some food for thought and can't wait to see your responses :-)


I think that Weiss' Ciacona fits that description:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgKg9QJkNr0

Gaelle plays it in G Minor, but I'd recommend that you either:

a. Play Alice Artzt's arrangement in A Minor; or
b. Play Goran Sollscher's arrangement in E Minor, but do so on a 7 or 8 string classical guitar with a capo on the 3rd fret, which will sound in G Minor.

If you play Sollscher's version, you'll have to raise many of the low bass notes by an octave, but that holds true for all arrangements of this piece on a six string guitar. I point it out with reference to Sollscher's version simply because he arranged the piece for his 11 string Alto guitar, and you won't have that many low bass notes available on open strings.

Sollscher's arrangement can be found in the Altgitarren book, which was written for Alto Guitar:

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVitl ... IHpqL4pas-

BTW, this piece was originally a lute/flute duet, and Michel Cardin reconstructs what the duet may have sounded like, which can be heard here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5S1xOyp13Q

Bridget Mermikides's wonderful arrangement of Verdi's La Forza del Destino may also fit the bill, and lays pretty comfortably on the guitar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOaitz6ecjg

If I think of any more, I'll post them:-)

~Sean

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby ben etow » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:33 am

What about Takemitsu ? The 1st movement of Ponce's 3rd sonata maybe? Nuccio D'angelo's Due Canzone Lidie?

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Christopher Freitag » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:36 am

Try "Sin luz" by Sally Greenaway, recorded by John Crouch.
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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Altophile » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:52 am

How about these pieces by Michael Marc:

Theme from the Godfather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxyUizAC9fo

Michael offers alternative sections for those who haven't mastered tremolo.

My Heart Will Go On
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ntnTLKcKuY

A Gift of Thistle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVTf-D0ts_o

Once Upon a Time in the West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ioFHZf0OI

The last one isn't "haunting" but it may be pensive enough for your needs.

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Altophile » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:57 am

Koyunbaba may qualify, but it's long, and it's definitely challenging to play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8wYIPlg_s

~Sean

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby robert e » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:39 pm

Are you aware of the "Dark Classical Guitar" playlist on youtube by CBC Music?

I was about to suggest Koynbaba as well, especially in the lower tuning.

For shorter pieces, many of Brouwer's 20 Estudios Sencillos sound dark to me. HIs "A Day in November" as well, if you don't mind a bright interlude (which needn't be repeated). Abel Fleury's milongas, and I would imagine many milongas and tangos, might be worth considering.

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Jack Douglas » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:45 pm

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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Tomzooki » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:50 pm

Altophile wrote:Koyunbaba may qualify, but it's long, and it's definitely challenging to play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8wYIPlg_s

~Sean


But rewarding. In fact if your RH technique is good it is quite easy, and quick to learn and easy to remember. And you can keep the attention of everybody for the whole 12 minutes, even the least melomane. And it is fun to play. The only real downside is the tuning.
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Re: Looking for haunting/dark/contemp pieces (e.g Coeck-Constellations)

Postby Altophile » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:03 pm

Tomzooki wrote:
Altophile wrote:Koyunbaba may qualify, but it's long, and it's definitely challenging to play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8wYIPlg_s

~Sean


But rewarding. In fact if your RH technique is good it is quite easy, and quick to learn and easy to remember. And you can keep the attention of everybody for the whole 12 minutes, even the least melomane. And it is fun to play. The only real downside is the tuning.


Thanks, that's good to know! It's definitely a gorgeous suite, one of my all-time favorites.

~Sean


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