markworthi wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:59 pm
AndreiKrylov wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:16 pm
2 questions arises from your nice post:
1. Is there "classical violin"?, "classical flute"? "classical piano"? etc.
No... why? are those instruments used for certain repertoire? - no... players play different music and could actually play all kind of music... and probably nobody will say that there is something wrong or not authentic in doing it...
2. What is "classical music"?
- is it really only music of Classicism period? - no ...more than that
- maybe only music of Classicism period + Renaissance, Baroque? - no ...more than that
- - maybe only music of Classicism period + Renaissance, Baroque, Medieval, Modernism, Avantgarde? - no ...more than that etc.etc.
seems like this is very wide term... maybe meaning more than that? and maybe meaning music accepted by "Academic circles" as such?
But whatever it is - it is very clear that in "classical guitar" performance we could hear the same 20-50 pieces again and again... therefore that what understood by most as a "classical guitar"... and then it is very narrow... very short path...
and something more like martial art - rather than art like painting or sculpture, or poetry etc.
Why is that? Why in 21st century we could not be more free in our approach? Why couldn't we do and understand "classical guitar" music like art of painting or sculpture, or poetry etc.? Why we do not unleash our inner selves through it, why could'nt we share our own passions and visions? Why "classical guitar" audience expecting to hear those same 20-50 pieces again and again... ?
Or we could state it another way: that is why "classical guitar" audience is very small ... because "classical guitar" audience expecting to hear those same 20-50 pieces again and again...
Segovia created "classical guitar" . He brought it to intelligentsia and concert goers as something new! Not perceived as a primitive amateur played instrument etc." but THE NEW HIGHER value term "classical guitar" !!!
At his time it was really good way to promote guitar! It really worked!
Nowadays? ... no. no more. no any "great new master" will repeat this model of development and promotion. This model still will exist, but it finished it development. It is naturally exhausted itself.
Very interesting post you made. I wonder when the term "classical guitar" came into common use. It's strange that I've never considered its etymology-- I'm sure someone here will respond-- but I would guess it was in the early part of the 20th Century, and possibly a result of the efforts of Segovia to cordon off a realm of legitimate (i.e., "classical") music, from his point of view, to be played on the instrument. I think this is what you're saying above. And I suppose, since the violin and piano have not had to earn their "legitimacy", nobody has bothered to attach "classical" to their appellation.
Be that as it may, "classical guitar", and classical music in general, seems to retain this meaning... it is "classical", in part, because it distinguishes itself from "popular" music-- which, as you point out, directly explains its relative lack of popularity. (Mystery solved). Still, it's possible that the classical guitar's limited audience, which arises from its own narrow definitions and canonical repertoire, is nevertheless a natural and sustainable model. Perhaps it's meant to have a small audience, to evolve and thrive even within its own constrained environment. Could it be that the next great master will be a composer of so-called modern "classical" music for guitar that somehow manages to strike the right chord with the public, taking modern music in an unanticipated direction that attracts-- rather than estranges-- listeners?
Thanks for your answer, Marc!
Yes it is possible that Segovia is an author of this term "classical guitar", since I do not see it before him. It was great commercial/promotional idea at that time when he started to promote himself and this nice instrument.
Word "Classical" sounds like "elite", "high society" word in comparison with word "guitar" - instrument which been used by many many simple folks everywhere - therefore "Classical" helped distinguish him as an elite concert performer for elite audience from street players and pop-music of his time. There were much larger audiences and not mostly guitarists as now, but rather elite listeners who were attracted by new name and "Classical" repertoire.
That is probably why Segovia asked Great MEXICAN Composer Manuel Ponce not to use his name on sonatas he wrote... because Ponce was not "Classical" , but modern composer... That is probably why Segovia was afraid to play great music by Barrios - because again he was not "Classical" ...
and same thing continues nowadays - guitarists afraid to play something different... from standard repertoire, and if they will - it should be approved by "Academia" first.
What is result of it?
audience of "Classical guitar" mostly consisted from "Classical" guitarists who judging playing of standard repertoire, comparing it with others, with themselves, learning how to do it etc.
It is certainly noble and worthwhile thing to do, but ...nobody else really care or understand - why these folks want to hear again and again the same pieces...
But...what is "Classical" anyway? Didn't "Classical" composers composed music for use anywhere at that time? Isn't all these bourre, allemandas, richerkars, branles, etc etc. were not "pop" , most popular music of their times?
Didn't they dominate music scene at their times as pop-music dominates it now?
The whole history of humans seems to be working this way - something popular today - classical tomorrow... isn't it great Art of Romans and Greeks was resurrected and become classical and only possible for some time in European Art? it happened to a degree that new artists revolt from it and separated from Academia...
And it is repeated in History again and again - Academia, when it is developing plays positive role in developing of technical skills and knowledge of artists which going through it, but then it becoming The Power which destroys real Art, making it dead because it limiting Artist and forcing him in very narrow path... instead of total freedom, so natural for artist soul...
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