Fair enough Lucy. Yours (I'm not sure it was Mark's) is indeed a really interesting question. I hope folk can discuss it dispassionately, though, within this thread rather than another, that might be difficult without reference to the original performance that began this thread. Fingers crossed.lucy wrote:Well, I also have felt uncomfortable about the way this thread has developed. However, (it may not be my place to say this), but the OP has clearly stated the intention was to provoke a discussion about the way different people hear the same thing, not to bash the player in question, or otherwise.
I for one, think this is a really interesting question. So, can people please stop continuing to bash this player and address the question at hand. Otherwise, we may well find the thread disappears! I think that would be a shame.
Perhaps there isn't an answer, it's sufficient to say people can hear the same performance very differently. However, it is an interesting question and I would certainly appreciate a discussion. As I said, I have experienced extremely disparate reactions myself.
Just for the sake of argument and abstracting from the actual videos that are compared, I doubt that there will be a universal agreement on the question that there is an absolute scale of judgment from unstructured to structured, from illogical to logical, which is accepted by every one end single player or listener. And even if there was such a scale, the enjoyment of music or the lack of the same is probably not so strongly related to such judgements, apart form a few exceptions...PeteJ wrote:.... let's face it, the performance that was originally posted is almost unlistenable for the lack of any structure or logic in the playing, while the second is superb. This has nothing to do with tone. ...
I have to say that pointing out the defects in someones tone and timing isn't quite the same as disemboweling them with a sword. Hyperbole.markworthi wrote:-- that ends up eviscerating someone, rather than providing a well-considered assessment.
No, I agree with you, Denian-- it's not. Really, none of the comments here in this thread have been eviscerating.Denian Arcoleo wrote:I have to say that pointing out the defects in someones tone and timing isn't quite the same as disemboweling them with a sword. Hyperbole.markworthi wrote:-- that ends up eviscerating someone, rather than providing a well-considered assessment.
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