Julian Bream EDITS

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Julian Bream EDITS

Post by LukeMarsden » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:20 am

here's the sound of "Edits" on Bream's recordings...

just listen the how the end of the chromatic run ends and how it "jumps" into the D major section at 3:08

if you can't hear it there's no shame in it at all, if you can hear it you notice it all over Breams recordings from around 1973 onwards....

https://youtu.be/t3d4qKJZGkQ?t=3m7s

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by LukeMarsden » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:31 am

can anyone else hear them?

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Les Montanjees » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:39 am

Nope. Just sounds like brilliant technique to me.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:26 am

I'd be very interested if anybody has this on both vinyl and digital and can compare over the same system.
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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by PeteJ » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:27 am

There are loads of audible edits in Bream's earlier recordings. I have one where between two phrases it sounds like he's moved to a different building.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by LukeMarsden » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:32 am

PeteJ wrote:There are loads of audible edits in Bream's earlier recordings. I have one where between two phrases it sounds like he's moved to a different building.
yes - good example of this is in his baroque guitar recordings of Sanz

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Adrian Allan » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:32 pm

Maybe it is a little unfair to focus on the edits of Bream. Every guitarist uses edits to my knowledge, but when Bream was recording in the 1960s onwards, the ability to disguise the edits was less than that of today. Now, digital tricks can disguise almost anything.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:04 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:Maybe it is a little unfair to focus on the edits of Bream. Every guitarist uses edits to my knowledge, but when Bream was recording in the 1960s onwards, the ability to disguise the edits was less than that of today. Now, digital tricks can disguise almost anything.
Surely its about the desire for knowledge and understanding? I'm sure nobody is remotely suggesting we think any the less of JB and his art.
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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by AO » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:28 pm

I’ve been fortunate to have heard Bream perform live several times in my youth, and what a wonderful performer he was. Even with an occasional clam once in awhile, he had a way of drawing the audience in. Recording is a completely different animal, even if there are no edits, how many takes will the performer do before satisfaction? I’ve heard people complain about Yepes’ early recordings containing mistakes, well the question then is do you want this honest approach, more of a live recording, or do you want perfection done with smoke and mirrors by the recording engineer?

It is an interesting observation though Luke, I hope your sensitive ears don’t interfere with your listening pleasure, I have friends with perfect pitch that get bothered by the orchestra being slightly sharp or flat. That would drive me nuts. :D

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Adrian Allan » Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:30 pm

Stephen Kenyon wrote:
Adrian Allan wrote:Maybe it is a little unfair to focus on the edits of Bream. Every guitarist uses edits to my knowledge, but when Bream was recording in the 1960s onwards, the ability to disguise the edits was less than that of today. Now, digital tricks can disguise almost anything.
Surely its about the desire for knowledge and understanding? I'm sure nobody is remotely suggesting we think any the less of JB and his art.
Good point - perhaps it is because the thread follows on from one in which many people agreed that Bream's live performances contained mistakes, it seems to give the impression that his recordings are "faked" by the number of edits. I'm just looking at this thread in the context of other recent threads, but I do have a habit of reading too much into situations.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Kevin Cowen » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:01 pm

Sorry Luke.
I still can't hear it.
And even if I could it wouldn't matter.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by Lawler » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:39 pm

This thread seems familiar. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=105866&start=60

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by montana » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:57 am

My bad. Can't hear it.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by artdecade » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:45 pm

Bream is a legend with or without edits. No changing that!
Unhindered by talent.

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Re: Julian Bream EDITS

Post by PeteJ » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:24 pm

Quite so. There can't be many recordings made without edits. Nobody wants mistakes or weak passages that are written in stone forever, not the player or the listener. Recording is not performing.

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