New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

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Adrian Allan
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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Adrian Allan » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:40 pm

LBrandt wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:04 pm
Adrian Allan wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:39 pm
Took it along to one of the most respected guitar repairers in the North West to lower the action by a couple of mm (I did not trust myself to do this simple job well).

He said it was one of the best guitars he had seen for a long time, and particularly liked the pattern (not sure what this is called in technical language) seen on the second photo that joins the two halves of the back from the inside.

Now it plays like a dream, and the intonation is near perfect to my ears.
Can you tell me what the action measurement is, now that you've lowered it?

Thanks.
Sure - just under 4mm on the bass and 3 mm on the treble
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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by LBrandt » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:43 pm

Thanks very much. I like the look of that gauge. Can you tell me what brand it is, or where you bought it?

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Adrian Allan » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:44 pm

LBrandt wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:43 pm
Thanks very much. I like the look of that gauge. Can you tell me what brand it is, or where you bought it?
I have to say that it is simply a maths set square borrowed from my son's school drawer!

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by LBrandt » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:49 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:44 pm
LBrandt wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:43 pm
Thanks very much. I like the look of that gauge. Can you tell me what brand it is, or where you bought it?
I have to say that it is simply a maths set square borrowed from my son's school drawer!
Oh, so it's a square with mm markings. I've never seen a square like that. Maybe I can find one somewhere. Thanks.

simonm
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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by simonm » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:25 pm

LBrandt wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:49 pm
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Oh, so it's a square with mm markings. I've never seen a square like that. Maybe I can find one somewhere. Thanks.
You will scarcely find any other kind anywhere outside the US methinks. :-)
Only downside is that the school kids versions are not super accurate although no doubt good enough for this purpose.

Gary Macleod
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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Gary Macleod » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:01 pm

Hi Adrian,

How would you say this guitar compares to your Burguet 1a ?

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Adrian Allan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:21 pm

Hi Gary

It was two years ago that I sold the Burguet 1a, but I think that this guitar is better - it reflects the advances made in guitar making over the past 20 years, as the Burguet is older.

I chose the Burguet from Ivor Mairants about 20 years ago, after having played a few smaller workshop made luthier guitars around the UK. It certainly stood comparison with many of those. Burguets are definitely fine guitars, and for their price they are fantastic and always hold their value.

A pity you were not closer to try the Italian guitar out, as there is no way of objectively recording a guitar over the internet.

I know that you have tried the Burguets at the London Guitar studio - can you tell me if there is much of a difference between 1a and AC and AB (which is their best model)?

As things stand right now, I need to fund an Mlitt from next year (and my wages do not cover the costs), so I might have to sell the Adalid/Hopf.

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Gary Macleod » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:42 pm

Hi Adrian,

The highest model they had was the 1a and it was much nicer than many guitars twice it's price.
The Adalid was brighter and louder but the Burguet wa very sweet sounding.
I'm guessing that if you might sell the Adalid you now prefer the Italian guitar ?

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Adrian Allan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:34 pm

Gary Macleod wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:42 pm
Hi Adrian,

The highest model they had was the 1a and it was much nicer than many guitars twice it's price.
The Adalid was brighter and louder but the Burguet wa very sweet sounding.
I'm guessing that if you might sell the Adalid you now prefer the Italian guitar ?
Yes, in a way I prefer it - but not an easy decision to sell the Hopf

When I first bought the 1a I thought that the guitar was in the category of many instruments in the £4000 range (as the prices are now). I showed it to John Mills and he agreed. John Mills had just started to play a Bert Kwakkel, as did everybody else about 20 years ago (I wonder if Kwakkel is still popular?).

Unless anybody else knows differently, I expect that AC and AB models may have better bindings and tuners etc. Maybe better spruce tops?

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Gary Macleod » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:51 pm

I pretty sure my old student Sean Shibe is playing a spruce Kwakkel.

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Re: New Guitar Review - Italian Double Top

Post by Adrian Allan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:05 pm

Gary Macleod wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:51 pm
I pretty sure my old student Sean Shibe is playing a spruce Kwakkel.

I have never tried one, but heard it played many times at close range - I know that Simon Dinnigan also moved to Kwakkel from Gee before he stopped playing, or maybe he had an Ambridge as well.

In terms of light, spruce guitars, I would love to hear my guitar compared with it, and and the Burguet 1a - but all I can say is that from my memory of last playing the Burguet, I prefer this new guitar.

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