Fret Marker Decals

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by hesson11 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:58 pm

TheEvan wrote:
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I apply a small dot of White Out. It comes off with a bit of fingernail.
Me too. I've read that Sharon Isbn does the same thing. She even keeps a bottle in her guitar case, if I remember correctly.
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:06 am

I'm thinking of using fret markers on the back of my French polished guitar to mark the spot where the suction cups on my guitar support go. Has anyone had issues with that, in terms of damaging the polish if you remove them? Or white out, for that matter.
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Andrew Fryer » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:23 pm

Andrew Pohlman wrote:
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No fret markers is yet another piece of tradition that we can do better without.
I don't agree. No markings is more elegant, and you don't see markings on violins or cellos, etc. Markless fretboards is something we can aspire to, and tippex dots, reducing in number over time, help us get there.

The best argument in favour of markings may be that with a fretted instrument you can't so easily slide from a bum note to a correct note, as you can on a violin, etc.
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by larryguitar » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:32 pm

Andrew Fryer wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:23 pm
Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:00 pm
No fret markers is yet another piece of tradition that we can do better without.
I don't agree. No markings is more elegant, and you don't see markings on violins or cellos, etc. Markless fretboards is something we can aspire to, and tippex dots, reducing in number over time, help us get there.

The best argument in favour of markings may be that with a fretted instrument you can't so easily slide from a bum note to a correct note, as you can on a violin, etc.
On violins and cellos, for beginning students, teachers put tape at 3rd and 5th position, on top of the fretboard, but the tape does not stay on for long. You learn where the notes are by sheer repetition, and by checking against the open strings.

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Evocacion » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Being a cheapskate, I use paper dots made with a hole punch glued on with a water-based glue stick. They can easily be removed with a damp cloth if necessary.

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by larryguitar » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:49 pm

Evocacion wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:59 pm
Being a cheapskate, I use paper dots made with a hole punch glued on with a water-based glue stick. They can easily be removed with a damp cloth if necessary.
I think my surgical tape is a cheap solution, plus, it's multipurpose. You can use the tape to bind up your wounds.

Here is a picture of my fret marker:
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Dave Stott » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:53 pm

I'm not a fan of any inlay in the actual guitars fretboard, but side dots are welcome & unobtrusive.

For the guitars of mine that don't have any side markers, I use the dry transfer ones from SBM. My markers are applied on 5, 7 & 9. Since I only use 3 at a time, a 12 pack from SBM lasts forever.

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:54 pm

Andrew Fryer wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:23 pm
Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:00 pm
No fret markers is yet another piece of tradition that we can do better without.
I don't agree. No markings is more elegant, and you don't see markings on violins or cellos, etc. Markless fretboards is something we can aspire to, and tippex dots, reducing in number over time, help us get there.

The best argument in favour of markings may be that with a fretted instrument you can't so easily slide from a bum note to a correct note, as you can on a violin, etc.
Playing Devil's advocate, and taking it to an extreme, you could play with your eyes taped shut. Eventually you would adapt and find all fret locations. :D

And for clarity, I'm talking about side dots, not fretboard inlay. Inlay can be ostentatious, but if well designed, can be very tasteful and elegant! I find it so much easier with side dots, and an ongoing struggle without any markers at all. Admittedly, my vision is not so good anymore. Why make it harder than it has to be? Side dots help me a lot.

I am also a fan of "form follows function". Radiused fretboards, dot markers, low action - all these "innovations" buck tradition but make it easier to play. I say, bring 'em on! But for those who want to cling tightly to traditional guitar construction - that is certainly available across Planet Earth.
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Andrew Fryer » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:55 pm

Yes, I only have one side dot, no inlays of any kind (that's on the Calatayud)
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by corius » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:59 pm

Just bought some fret markers from Rosette via Classical Guitars Plus in the UK. Fed up with my son laughing at the huge blue sticky label nicked from my wall planner.

I then made the mistake of looking at their other products... oh well, it's only money!

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by JohnyZuper » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:18 am

I've found little blemishes in the wood of the fretboard to be helpful too. Pity ebony tends to be very even. When I have a luthier build me an instrument I'll definitely inquire about a more patterned wood.

I use Rosette marker dots on my Burguet guitars. They got a bit damaged after a trip.
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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by KBell » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:23 pm

I've had the same small pieces of scotch tape on 5th, 7th, 9th frets since '96!

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Andrew Fryer » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:39 pm

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Mårten » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:27 pm

Thanks for the paper hole punch idea, got that and glue stick in the cupboard 👍

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Re: Fret Marker Decals

Post by Gwynedd » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:53 am

I got them from That Site That Send Guitar Stuff in the Post and they are great. My new guitar didn't have fret markers. (We love em, luthiers are like, nope, I'm not destroying the beauty of that ebony with a marker!) and it makes a difference for my scales. They are "Rosette" and they are I believe made by Chartpak (a company that makes graphic design tapes although I wonder why now with everything digitized. We used to buy thin tape to make charts and graphs for seminars in grad school.)

The dots are highly charged with static and cling on the finish. They come off if you have to take them off with a scrape of the fingernail. They are a bit fidgety to put on--mine kept dropping off the glassine paper backing. But I managed to get a set on the guitar on the proper frets (I did up to fret 12) and they REALLY help me, especially playing scales.

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