New gut strings for 440 pitch

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by Peskyendeavour » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:10 am

Just want to say thank you for the recommendation.
I bought a set of DD strings and it arrived this last week.
The sound is far superior to what I had before. I am very much in love with the beautiful sound it makes.
There is a slight sign of fraying (less than a week) but not uncommon to gut I guess. Can't say how long it would last me. I have not tuned up to 440 yet. Not brave enough!

Rob, May I ask long did your set last you in continuous professional playing? And was it tuned to 440 in that duration?

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by RobMacKillop » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:20 pm

I've had them one for a couple of months now, at 440, without breakage. I play without nails, plus the contact points of the string (frets, nut, bridge holes) have been smoothed as much as possible. Nails would probably shorten the longevity somewhat.

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:08 am

Beautiful playing Rob. I might even try a set of gut strings, from the maker you suggest, if they last a long time and aren't overly stiff, how do they compare tension wise?

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by Hank Matallana » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:49 am

RobMacKillop wrote:
Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:19 pm
Yes, they are available to order from the website mentioned on the video.

The g could last a year or more, the b six months or so, the e anything from five minutes to five months. A common cause of broken first strings is people tuning them to 440 when they were not designed to do so (thankfully these strings are), or having rough spots on the contact points with the guitar: nut, bridge, bridge holes, and frets. Also, fingernails can shorten the life of the string IF they are not well polished before each session. You can hear the sound difference quite clearly. If you can't, then don't waste your money. They do sustain. I haven't noticed a problem in that regard. Yes, they feel different, a little rougher, which is a good thing if you play with more flesh than nail.

People played with gut for millennia. During that time, quality varied. There were international centres of string making, and good-quality strings were much in demand by those who could afford them.

I ignore qualitative arguments about which is best, gut or nylon. The fact is that gut strings have played a HUGE part in the history of the guitar, all of the centuries up until mid way through the 20th. Gut and nylon are both good, but sound different, and neither type will suit everyone. But to me, playing good-quality gut strings on a guitar copied from Torres, Manuel Ramirez, and Santos, with the flesh of the fingertips, is as near to nirvana as I'm every likely to get. Your mileage may vary, as people on Internet fora are wont to say.
Hi Rob, how do you polish your gut strings before each session?

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by larryguitar » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:35 pm

I think Rob means polishing fingernails, not strings. :-)

I have got to try them on my Roudhloff replica. I never seem to find the time to change strings.

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by Hank Matallana » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:52 pm

ah, thank you. That certainly make sense. I've heard stories where people would rub their oily finger tips along the string to help keep them hydrated- don't know if that's only a wive's tale.

I have gamut strings currently on my 1965 guitar and it's up to standard pitch with no problem; though on previous guitars it did not always work well.
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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by RobMacKillop » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:22 pm

I use hand cream on my hands/fingers daily. It helps a little.

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by larryguitar » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:43 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:22 pm
I use hand cream on my hands/fingers daily. It helps a little.
Which hand cream do you use Rob? I use Healthy Hoof for my nails and Aloe Vera every night.

My sandpaper grits are: 500-1500-2400-3200-4000-6000-8000-12000.

Is that polished enough?

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by RobMacKillop » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:01 am

Any old cream. Believe me, I really don't care which one. I never use sandpaper...

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by tateharmann » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:02 pm

larryguitar wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:43 pm
RobMacKillop wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:22 pm
I use hand cream on my hands/fingers daily. It helps a little.
Which hand cream do you use Rob? I use Healthy Hoof for my nails and Aloe Vera every night.

My sandpaper grits are: 500-1500-2400-3200-4000-6000-8000-12000.

Is that polished enough?
So you're speaking of sandpaper for your nails and not your fingertips, right? I used to polish up to 12,000 grit with micromesh when I was playing with nails - I think it was more than enough! haha
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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by tateharmann » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:03 pm

Oh and the cream I prefer by far is 'Aveeno daily moisturizing lotion' :)

But Rob is quite right - you can really use any...just use something or your nail-less playing will sound harsh and raspy :)
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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by larryguitar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:16 pm

tateharmann wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:02 pm
larryguitar wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:43 pm
RobMacKillop wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:22 pm
I use hand cream on my hands/fingers daily. It helps a little.
Which hand cream do you use Rob? I use Healthy Hoof for my nails and Aloe Vera every night.

My sandpaper grits are: 500-1500-2400-3200-4000-6000-8000-12000.

Is that polished enough?
So you're speaking of sandpaper for your nails and not your fingertips, right? I used to polish up to 12,000 grit with micromesh when I was playing with nails - I think it was more than enough! haha
Yes, I'm talking about sandpapering my fingernails, not my fingertips, but you could probably smooth your fingertips with a high grit sandpaper. 12,000 is certainly enough, I don't always go that high, I've got other things to do!

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by guilhermevilela13 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:53 am

very interesting, it sounds wonderfull!

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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by Michael.N. » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:03 am

larryguitar wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:16 pm
tateharmann wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:02 pm
larryguitar wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:43 pm


Which hand cream do you use Rob? I use Healthy Hoof for my nails and Aloe Vera every night.

My sandpaper grits are: 500-1500-2400-3200-4000-6000-8000-12000.

Is that polished enough?
So you're speaking of sandpaper for your nails and not your fingertips, right? I used to polish up to 12,000 grit with micromesh when I was playing with nails - I think it was more than enough! haha
Yes, I'm talking about sandpapering my fingernails, not my fingertips, but you could probably smooth your fingertips with a high grit sandpaper. 12,000 is certainly enough, I don't always go that high, I've got other things to do!
Best to take it a bit higher than that. 12,000 then to a strip of leather followed by ordinary white printing paper (yes, even printing paper is considered an abrasive!). You can finish off using the thighs of a . . . . .
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Re: New gut strings for 440 pitch

Post by larryguitar » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:49 pm

Michael.N. wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:03 am
larryguitar wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:16 pm
tateharmann wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:02 pm


So you're speaking of sandpaper for your nails and not your fingertips, right? I used to polish up to 12,000 grit with micromesh when I was playing with nails - I think it was more than enough! haha
Yes, I'm talking about sandpapering my fingernails, not my fingertips, but you could probably smooth your fingertips with a high grit sandpaper. 12,000 is certainly enough, I don't always go that high, I've got other things to do!
Best to take it a bit higher than that. 12,000 then to a strip of leather followed by ordinary white printing paper (yes, even printing paper is considered an abrasive!). You can finish off using the thighs of a . . . . .
Ha, I suppose everything in the world is an abrasive of some grit. This idea occurred to me when I've tried to smooth my nails on subway tiles when I didn't have a nail file or sandpaper handy.

I have recently taken up rowing, sweep rowing and sculling in team boats, eights, quads, and doubles. Rowers pride themselves on having hands that are all torn up and bleeding from blisters, and heavily calloused. They think that blood on the oar is an inseparable part of the sport. Well, I wear specially designed sweep/sculling gloves, and use aloe vera every night, and my hands are perfect. I just have to be careful not to destroy my nails picking up and putting down a boat.

One other guy I row with also wears gloves, and he said that he didn't want to touch his partner with hands that were like sandpaper.

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