If sitting in an "awkward position for hours and hours" is a concern, stand up and wear a strap. It takes some getting used to but I often do it. I even walk around while playing. Of course I spent years as a strolling musician in fine dinning restaurants. Also, as I've gotten older I've found 3 or 4 short daily practice sessions are more effective in terms of learning than a single long session but also easier on the body.zupfgeiger wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:06 pmI could only name the health benefits of making music in general, particularly at an older age. It's the best remedy against senil dementia one can imagine. But guitar playing? I only know some health risks like back trouble from sitting in an awkward position for hours and hours.
kavor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:36 pmHello,AndreiKrylov wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:08 pmHealth benefits of playing classical guitar (in "standard" position)? -kavor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:37 pmWell, I don't know any instrument that is played while running and most are played in sitting position. The question could be asked: are you more inclined to do sports after 3 hours of playing guitar or after 3 hours watching TV? Or, can you remember more stuff after memorizing long tract of classical music or do you like lose capacity to remember other stuff?
I was trying to cram a lot of stuff into my head recently for a meeting and I just thought, would I be better of with or without playing music?
1. Backpain and different related problems.
2. Carpal tunnel and other hand' fingers problems...
3. perfectionism (mental problem)
4. if it is your job - then also other problems - not really reliable way to make living, junk food and bad sleep in travel, constant worry about your health which could affect your performance etc.
But... it is a great hobby... and great instrument for lonely artists to express themselves!
Serious Creative Art could be really beneficial - just look at life of Vincent Van Gogh and many other artists...
Seriously ... there are no health benefits.
But it could be a great joy to do it! and ... sometimes despair too...
and also I think that "role of the memory" is really overvalued in some ways ...
- hard drive have lot more memory nowadays than any of us.
How could we use things... how could we operate and discern and construct different subjects and ideas is much more important than the knowledge/memory of certain amount of facts and events. If our brains could be trained in a old age - then challenging books, videos, audio etc.especially in science and philosophy could make our brains work much more efficient than playing same exercises, scales etc. again and again... what our brains learn because of it? - just mechanical activities related to our hands... do we really train our brains or our bodies this way?
and if we are training certain parts of our bodies, and harming other parts (back for example) is it really so beneficial?
I did it all my life because I love it (sound), I love to use to create my own soundworlds and to express myself and because I made living doing it all my life.
Yes it was beneficial for me because I did (created etc) a lot but for my physical health?
My father never ever played guitar...but in all ways he was much healthier than me in my age
playing different instruments?
I play guitar for 50 years or more,
I played piano ...I play flute...
I had to play accordion (to pass exams in Music college)
I played domras, balalaikas, different folk instruments etc.
But ... I feel cold about them...I just love guitar, lute, flute (wooden).
Was it beneficial to play all of them? For my health???
Well... in some way it was just a waste of my timе...
I am not a doctor, but I think the main culprit is a culture and lifestyle...
Modern civilization is equal for majority to sedentary life...indulging in eating of junkfood... poisoned environment inside and outside of our houses...endless hours spent in traffic jams while breathing exhaust of other cars, unknown effect of many ways of artificial electromagnetic and other radiation which emitted through our bodies etc. etc.
Will playing of classical guitar overcome effects of all those (and many more) things? unlikely...
But ...placebo could also make (temporary) positive effect on someone who
believes in it...
If you think the major factor in inducing health problems is guitar and also that guitar doesn't have any health benefits, to prove yourself otherwise try to live without it. If that is not an option listen to experiences of people who have abandoned playing music for one reason or the other after playing for a long time. In my opinion, music gives structure in our lives that makes us strong. I think you are so used to it that you no longer recognize its effects. If you think otherwise, stop playing for a few days, see how it goes eh?
On the subject of placebo effect, it is truly difficult to test this out because we have this variable of 'believing in it' How do you establish that person has belief in something? First person testimony? While that may be valid in the paradigm of some sort of social sciences, I think its really tenuous to establish anything like this. But you can talk about it at parties etc, its cool
[/quote]AndreiKrylov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:46 pmHi Kavor,
I did not say that "the major factor in inducing health problems is guitar " this is twisting my words...but I pointed to certain particular health problems which is coming out from ergonomically bad "standard" sitting position and another ergonomically bad tendency of playing high tension strings and having high action and loud sound - all these problematic approaches are "standard" and promoted by "academia"nowadays and completely ignored by all kind of "standard" or new age medical practitioners, who (basically all of them who are touching guitar playing subject), instead of offering to guitarists rational, practical ways to avoid those possible injuries and problems are talking about "PROPER" classical guitar sitting position etc. ...
Certainly playing music instrument could be beneficial to the player, but could be not beneficial at all... or else...
I know quite a few who developed different physical problems just by sitting for hours daily... quite a few who developed carpal tunnel... (very likely because of playing "hard instruments" with hard tension strings and high action etc. , I know few who developed different psychological problems, like perfectionism, depression etc.
And this subject is more complicated than simple - guitar playing is good for you or guitar playing is not good for you...
It depends from many other factors, physical, mental, lifestyle choices.
And what kind of guitar playing we are talking about?
to touch strings for few minutes a day and imagine or remember something?
To play a lot of scales?
To perform concerts?
To play mono melody on one string?
To play Chaconne by Bach?
I think this response is very important. I think most health benefits are not recognized or taken for granted. We uniquely utilize a lot of parts of your brain while playing music. Most people take these effects for granted. The negative effects of prolonged sitting and playing influence ppl too much. I think that is a problem of going to extreme. That is true for everything. If you say body building or sport is good for your health and then overdo it and destroy your body, the sports are not to blame. Its incorrect performance, lack of balance and acting stupidly, quite frankly, to blame.Andrew Pohlman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:25 pmAs some have said, keeping the manual dexterity / fine motor control in good shape is certainly a health benefit. The overwhelming benefit is helping with the aging brain. As the article stated, active is better than passive. And in the studies I've read, continual learning is critical to the beneficial effects. For example, if you practice calculus nightly, that's better than nothing, but not as good as learning new pieces.
Now, is guitar better than flute ? I've seen no studies to say it is. And if you take a bit of critical thinking related to the brain structures involved, there seems to be lots of overlap regardless of instrument type.
So the temporal and frontal lobes are involved in memory. The frontal lobe also handles expression/interpretation, and future planning like preparing for a difficult passage while actually playing a previous part. The precentral gyrus controls motor functions, while the postcentral gyrus handles tactile feedback from fingers, and proprioceptors so you know where your body parts are in 3D space. The cerebellum handles motor memory. The brain stem handles meter. The occipital lobe handles all visuals, while the temporal lobes (again) handle auditory input/feedback, i.e., ear training. The thalamus is the switchboard of all this interconnected communication. And learning new pieces keeps the hippocampus functioning well. Then if you sing and play at the same time!?!?!! Did I leave out any brain parts ?
With that many brain parts involved, the brain is getting fully exercised. The difference between guitar and flute may be like benching 400lbs versus light weights. But I have no peer-reviewed empirical data for that.
For me though, I gain a lot due to the relaxation it brings me. Enhanced social connections too.
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