Your musical lineage?

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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:52 pm

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Not too sure about Duarte (remember that disparaging blog about the student who took up lessons with him in London), ....
Indeed, and he was there with us at the Bath festival and had so little to contribute compared to Starobin. But the fact is people did come and study with him and it can't have been purely for the endless Segovia anecdotes.
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Adrian Allan » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:07 pm

Stephen Kenyon wrote:
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Adrian Allan wrote:
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Not too sure about Duarte (remember that disparaging blog about the student who took up lessons with him in London), ....
Indeed, and he was there with us at the Bath festival and had so little to contribute compared to Starobin. But the fact is people did come and study with him and it can't have been purely for the endless Segovia anecdotes.
Out of interest, the best teaching that I saw at that festival was from David Tanenbaum, the following year. I remember that he spotted a couple of tiny mistakes in a guitar duet while listening and reading the score and seemed to be totally "on the ball" musically speaking. Not all great players are great teachers - far from it. And as you say, some great teachers may not be great players. The other example being Jose Thomas, who was apparently too nervous to perform in public, but taught many great players.
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Re: Your musical lineage?

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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:44 pm

Llobet >> Rey de la Torre >> Ben Barron >> me

I must say, the Rey de la Torre school of thinking is a far more friendly approach than many other drill sergeant type teachers from his period. You know, the guys who whack your hand with a ruler when you made a mistake... Ben and I talk a lot about "del Torre" the man, whom we both new personally. I didn't study under him. Ben did, and then graduated from the SF Conservatory. I don't know about Llobet, but if del Torre got his friendly approach from him, then this is a really cool lineage of guitar!
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Dirck Nagy » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:43 am

rojarosguitar wrote:
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... So the sociological function of quoting a lineage can only be to enhance one's chances within the field of competition in terms of prestige, income, positions etc.

Hmmm ...

No, sometimes it is respect for tradition. You know, crediting one's elders, and all that stuff.

And sometimes it is just for fun! Some of us enjoy history: migration of cultures, etymology of words, development of music, performance practice, etc. The root of the word "Tradition" is Latin "Traditio" from "Tradere", to transfer, give over. I like that idea.


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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by rojarosguitar » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:08 pm

Dirck Nagy wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:43 am
rojarosguitar wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:26 pm
... So the sociological function of quoting a lineage can only be to enhance one's chances within the field of competition in terms of prestige, income, positions etc.

Hmmm ...

No, sometimes it is respect for tradition. You know, crediting one's elders, and all that stuff.

And sometimes it is just for fun! Some of us enjoy history: migration of cultures, etymology of words, development of music, performance practice, etc. The root of the word "Tradition" is Latin "Traditio" from "Tradere", to transfer, give over. I like that idea.
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Well, yes, I shouldn't have formulated so strictly. Of course there can be the aspect of respect, homage to tradition, I didn't mean to totally exclude this possibility (which I also admire), but I doubt that this is mostly the reason for mentioning one's own provenience. Sometimes it's maybe more homage to trade (though this is probably a bad etymology :wink: ).

Anyway, everybody can decide for herself/himself.
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by lucy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:01 pm

Stephen Kenyon wrote:
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Hi Stephen. I had lessons with him, for about a year, while I was at Royal Holloway College.

In response to some of the criticism of this thread, I have to say I learned important things from all the teachers I've had. Teachers of the calibre mentioned by me and others, are able to give advice on how to improve very subtle aspects of playing guitar and musical performance. It was wonderful to study with them!
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by lucy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:10 pm

Dirck Nagy wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:43 am
A ski racing coach of mine once got frustrated with me and said: "When are you going to stop studying and do something?!?"

Apropos? I sense a parallel here.
:lol: I ended up with the same thing from guitar teachers...
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by jpryan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:24 pm

Taylor 25 wrote:
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As a self-taught amateur player of several instruments, I really had no musical lineage to speak of. lol. But after joining Elite Guitarist with Tavi Jinariu for over a year, I can now claim an indirect connection to CG royalty. Assuming that we can count being a student of web based CG lessons in this discussion, then my CG lineage would look something like this:

Andres Segovia > Christopher Parkening > Tavi Jinariu > me

Of course, as a mere CG hobbyist (and occasional church performer), I am nowhere near the level of those men. But I do think that having such an awesome lineage should at least be good for a discount at GSI or something! Don't you think? :)

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Since Parkening studied first and for many years with Celedonio Romero, should this be:

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Celedonio Romero > 
                    > Christopher Parkening > Tavi Jinariu > Steve
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by eno » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:02 pm

My teacher was a student of Alexander Ivanov-Kramskoi who is often regarded as "the father of Russian classical guitar"
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Contreras » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:01 am

Stephen Kenyon wrote:
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Contreras wrote:
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Miguel Llobet >> Rey de la Torre >> Patrick Bashford (RCM) >> me
Think you'll find you can put Tarrega in front of Llobet to add to your lineage 🤓
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Sharon Vizcaino » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:36 pm

No idea. I know my teacher studied under Segovia for a while and was Oscar Ghiglia's student/assistant at some point. Don't know if there's any others. He's the only teacher I've had, so that's as far as my lineage goes haha.
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by kloeten » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:55 pm

Interesting question! For me it is:

Sophocles Papas -> Sharon Isbin -> Antigoni Goni -> Gabi Vink -> me

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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by Sharon Vizcaino » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:52 am

kloeten wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:55 pm
Interesting question! For me it is:

Sophocles Papas -> Sharon Isbin -> Antigoni Goni -> Gabi Vink -> me
Oh, add Sharon Isbin and your lineage gets much bigger. She even studied with my teacher at some point, apparently. Rather unfortunate for me, we might share first names, but there's no way I can live up to that! :lol:
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Re: Your musical lineage?

Post by PeteJ » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:05 pm

The list of names seems to show what a small world we live in.

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