A432 And DNA Tuning...

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A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Scot Tremblay » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:06 am

It's the weekend and time for an interesting article.

Soooooo, for all the TOMs (Tuning Obsessed Musicians) out there, here we go...

http://themindunleashed.org/2015/09/the ... music.html
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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Les Montanjees » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:14 am

I love the reference to Ancient Egyptian instruments discovered tuned to 432. Where can I buy a set of those strings that stay in tune for 4000-odd years?

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Jim Frieson » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:48 am

Thanks Scot
Fascinating and vital subject . The more I have looked into it the more corroboration I find .
Entrainment . Phase locking . The tendency on the universe for vibrations tuning themselves to be in harmony , including of course , us .
The earth itself makes music , that can be heard on Auroral Chorus , a site run by Steven McGreevy - he records it in the wild places
least contaminated by electromagnetic soup .

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Les Montanjees » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:49 am

According to Ron Gorow, in his massive tome Hearing and Writing Music (September Publishing, 2015), quoting Hermann Helmholtz, On the Sensations of Tone, the pitch of A has varied by as much as a fifth over the millenia, anywhere between 370 Hz and 567.3 Hz. In relatively recent musical history he states: "Orchestras from Handel to Beethoven generally tuned to A=422 or 423. Gradually pitch began to rise, although there was no standard until the London Philharmonic Society adapted A=433 in 1820 and a French commission established A=435 in 1859. Finally, in 1939, an International Conference representing major European countries and America adopted A=440, which was again standardized and dubbed International Concert Pitch in 1960." I'm not discounting at all the possibility that our bodies and minds respond at a deep level to tones of a certain pitch, but there have been so many variations in tuning over the years that surely they can't all be sub-optimal except for A=432, as suggested by the article.

That said, the subject of frequency is endlessly fascinating and research continues to uncover much mind-turning material. Penny Pearce's book, Frequency (Atria Books 2009) is worth a read.

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Iwo Koronowski » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:30 pm

Hmm As I remember tuning A to 432Hz won't give C 256Hz in equal temperament system.

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Iwo Koronowski » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:57 pm

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreq432.html

In natural scale 256Hz C and 432Hz A is the same tuning but guitar was constructed to tune in equal temperament system...

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Guero » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:15 pm

That`s a nice morology webpage!


These unleashed people may have missed that (caution, it's getting dangerous!!) summing up 432 with its reciprocal (234) you'll get:

432 + 234 = :evil:



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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Cloth Ears » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:45 pm

Guero wrote:That`s a nice morology webpage!
+1

I scanned it quickly and have seen a facebook post by an acquaintance which spouted similar nonsense. He has started tuning all his synths to 432Hz :roll:

All frequencies are quite beautiful to my ears.


The page itself can be torn to shreds, for example: "Diameter of sun = 864,000 miles (432 x 2)" So what? A mile is a completely arbitrary unit and is a human construct, it is not even globally standardised. 432x2 does not equal 864000 anyway. Clutching at straws, put the marijuana down. Furthermore precession of orbit of Earth, with its current angle of axial tilt (Obliquity) can be calculated as 25,771.58 years, but that does not take into account variations brought on by the mass of the moon as it helixes about Earth, which helixes the Sun. Moron-ology as Guero rightly points out.

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by MarkInLA » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:13 pm

Les Montanjees wrote:I love the reference to Ancient Egyptian instruments discovered tuned to 432. Where can I buy a set of those strings that stay in tune for 4000-odd years?
Yeah, I thought the same thing. But to play devil's advocate perhaps they have a scientific method of determining this by the properties of the wood. But, yeah it does sound bogus...

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by bert » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:55 am

Cloth Ears wrote:for example: "Diameter of sun = 864,000 miles (432 x 2)" So what? A mile is a completely arbitrary unit and is a human construct, it is not even globally standardised.
Agree. My thought was: if C=256Hz, then 1Hz is also a C. Nice, but did they have a second in old Egypt. And why a C?

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Elizabeth Moreta » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:59 am

I suppose this is a way for some to take revenge on those who have perfect pitch. (:

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Pat Dodson » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:29 pm

Elizabeth Moreta wrote:I suppose this is a way for some to take revenge on those who have perfect pitch. (:
Or it's a way to take revenge on those who are sane

I have been running the numbers and have uncovered some remarkable data that cannot surely be coincidental.

432 is the average depth in feet of Loch Ness.

432 = 3 to the power of 3 times 2 to the power of 4

3-3-2-4

Adding = 12. Adding again = 3

43.2 × 43.2 + 3 x 4.32 = 1879 (rounded)

1879 was the year of the first land sighting of the Loch Ness monster by a group of children who described how it waddled down a hill into the Loch.

Since then the many sightings have estimated its length to be between 6 and 20 or so feet with an average of 14 ft 2 inches = 4.32 metres.

The monster is believed to be a plesiosaur. Fossils of these show clear evidence of a cochlea. Not enough fossils have been found to be sure of cochlear length but extrapolations from fossilised humans (average height 1.65 metres with an average cochhlear length of 42 mm) suggest a length of around 110 mm or 4.32 inches.

The amazing recurrence and power of 432 in the story of the Loch Ness monster is testimony to its pre-eminence in the natural order of life since the dawn of time. It is likely that the submarine mating call of the lovelorn Nessie is even today pitched at A 432 just as it was 6 million years ago. Then early shrew like mammals that evolved into humans, on taking a swim in the Loch, would have heard this plaintive call and passed its importance via DNA into the biological and cultural heart of mankind.

A432 and DNA tuning? Can there be any doubt?

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Post by Pete Meyers » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:20 pm

All of the numerology is pretty arbitrary when you consider that the hertz scale is a unit based on Earth minutes, which are not only an inaccurate division of an Earth day, but a totally insignificant scale when you also consider the scope of the known universe.

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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by MartinCogg » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:18 pm

I don't understand the cynical replies :? - tis a revelation... :idea:

thanks to reading that link last night, and dreaming uponit, I felt empowered to add the strings to my new lute today -
secure in the knowledge that I was painting them at the most bestest pitch :mrgreen:
specially since I already had an egyptian eye up the gum tree.
well-tuned lute.JPG
new on the to-do list - find space for Nessie...
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Re: A432 And DNA Tuning...

Post by Moderato » Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:52 am

Guero wrote:That`s a nice morology webpage!


These unleashed people may have missed that (caution, it's getting dangerous!!) summing up 432 with its reciprocal (234) you'll get:

432 + 234 = :evil:



:wink:
Um, hate to burst your conspiracy theory bubble but the reciprocal of 432 is 1/432 :wink:
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