Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby RobMacKillop » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:25 pm

Isabelle, I have had gut strings that last well over a year, apart from the first string. My current first string has been on for four months. I get them from Bow Brand, a harp-string maker in England. Recommended. You order them in 12ft lengths, and cut them as you require. They work out as cheap as buying single nylon strings.

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Tonyyyyy » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:29 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:Isabelle, I have had gut strings that last well over a year, apart from the first string. My current first string has been on for four months. I get them from Bow Brand, a harp-string maker in England. Recommended. You order them in 12ft lengths, and cut them as you require. They work out as cheap as buying single nylon strings.

If I contact them will they understand the needs of a regular 65cm guitar?
And I guess it was just for the 3 treble strings .... or maybe not

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby RobMacKillop » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:52 am

They probably don't know what a guitar is ;-)

I order lengths for .66, .80 and 1.00.

Get the unvarnished variety. You email them first, and they send you an order form.

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Isabelle Frizac » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:01 am

RobMacKillop wrote:Isabelle, I have had gut strings that last well over a year, apart from the first string. My current first string has been on for four months. I get them from Bow Brand, a harp-string maker in England. Recommended. You order them in 12ft lengths, and cut them as you require. They work out as cheap as buying single nylon strings.



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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby tateharmann » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:45 pm

YES, I will have to try those also :)

You three are all in Europe, though, and I'm across the pond haha. But I imagine it will still be more cost-effective for me than buying single guitar trebles.

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Tonyyyyy » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:24 am

RobMacKillop wrote:They probably don't know what a guitar is ;-)

I order lengths for .66, .80 and 1.00.

Get the unvarnished variety. You email them first, and they send you an order form.


Thanks Rob,for the helpful info

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Tonyyyyy » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:01 pm

Arrived today (really fast response from Bow-Brand) and I put a couple of strings on my old Rodriguez. Quite stiff feel, and sweet sounding (still a tone lower than a=440). i will probably keep to a=415.

Surprising to say its my first experience of gut despite luting for a few years

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby RobMacKillop » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:02 pm

The stiffness will diminish a little over time. They will manage 415, as that's where I have them. If you eventually decide they are too stiff for your liking, you can order lower gauges. I hope you like them.

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby RobMacKillop » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:04 pm

By the way, they are the same gauges as Aquila 900.

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Tonyyyyy » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:05 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:The stiffness will diminish a little over time. They will manage 415, as that's where I have them. If you eventually decide they are too stiff for your liking, you can order lower gauges. I hope you like them.


Well the stiffness was just putting the strings on . Playing them is nice.

I am very aware that they are different, so my judgement is not accurate. And I am coming from using nails to short nails to no-nails again so I will not be comparing like with like. An interesting test would be to present a blindfolded player with a guitar with xxx strings

What I will say is that the gut sounded beautiful with nails (I think that is how Trepat plays) Now I am in the short nail stage, which is awkward, but also sounds nice. In a day or two I will be brave and return to no-nails. I have been there a few times before , but it it always scary to cut the nails

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Mercurio2688 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:25 am

Hello Tonyyyyy, indeed it is scary to cut them...
If by any chance you can read Spanish, I recommend you to read 'El Dilema del Sonido en la guitarra" by Pujol. His prose is irresistible.
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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby RobMacKillop » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:23 am

There is a pdf in English of some of that book on my Pujol page: http://rmclassicalguitar.com/pujol/

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Montgomery » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:52 am

I really really like this. A great sound :bravo:

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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby tateharmann » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:10 pm

I'm working on building a play list on my soundclound account here: https://soundcloud.com/laguitarraclasic ... nido-en-la

It's based upon E. Pujol's "El Dilema del Sonido en la guitarra" that Kacper referenced. I've only got two examples in there right now but I'm working on more. You hear the piece first played with nails (albeit quite short - a la Sagreras) with modern nylon strings tuned to A=440hz followed by the same piece played with no nails and gut strings tuned to A=415hz.

I like both sounds quite a bit..but for what it's worth I've gotten more likes on the first prelude in it's gut/no nails version haha.
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Re: Llobet, Miguel - El testament d'Amèlia played without nails with silk and gut strings

Postby Tonyyyyy » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:31 pm

Mercurio2688 wrote:Hello Tonyyyyy, indeed it is scary to cut them...
If by any chance you can read Spanish, I recommend you to read 'El Dilema del Sonido en la guitarra" by Pujol. ...


Not too scary as I have played with no-nails before 8) It still takes a while to adjust though.

Thanks for the recommendation. I do read Spanish and have downoaded 'El Dilema'. I will enjoy his ideas. I have read the first 2 pages; yes, his prose is certainly beautiful.

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