Yamaha GC82S

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by spanishguitarmusic » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:32 pm

Very beautiful looking guitars for sure! Both very nice!

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:06 am

spanishguitarmusic wrote:Very beautiful looking guitars for sure! Both very nice!
Yes...quite lovely:

The old:
1971 Yamaha GC-10 Front Small.jpg
1971 Yamaha GC-10 Back Small.jpg
1971 Yamaha GC-10 Side Small.jpg
GC-10 Headstock small.jpg
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GC82S & GC82C.JPG
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:42 pm

Well, I have decided to stay with the natural finish. I also think that I will go with hard tension strings.

A luthier question: I am still trying to figure out why using higher tension strings would change the string height? I can’t see any difference at the Saddle/Bridge...perhaps the slots in the Nut? If they are cut to hold Normal tension strings would the larger diameter of Hard or Extra Hard strings result in the string sitting higher?

Here are the string diameters for the D'Addario Normal, Hard & Extra Hard (not great but if the nut slots are cut very precisely using a gauge, I can see that the larger diameter would ride higher in the slot):

J4501 E 0.028
J4502 B 0.0322
J4503 G 0.0403
J4504 D 0.029
J4505 A 0.035
J4506 E 0.043

J4601 E 0.0285
J4602 B 0.0327
J4603 G 0.0410
J4604 D 0.030
J4605 A 0.036
J4606 E 0.044

J4401 E 0.029
J4402 B 0.0333
J4403 G 0.0416
J4404 D 0.030
J4405 A 0.036
J4406 E 0.045
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by HNLim » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:50 pm

Just curious to know if it is possible to order a GC82S with the GC82C headstock?

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Philosopherguy » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:39 pm

Beowulf wrote:I'm just exploring the possibilities. Is the colour of your GC-3 similar to the picture of the GC-10 posted above?

The GC42 is also a very nice instrument and I had considered it; however another chap here thought it would not be much of a step up from my GC-10. Not much chance to try out these instruments where I live.

Douglas
Here is a picture of my 1971 GC-3.
IMG_2468.JPG
It is quite orange to see in person. It is a nice guitar though. Comfortable to play. The scale is 558 and the nut is 51mm.

It is the guitar that I take with me when I go to the cottage, play outside in the backyard, or anything like that. As it already has some "wear", so I am not worried about it. Considering it's age though, it's in very good condition! I recently had the frets done.

Regarding your string question: I think you should forget about EHT strings. They will do nothing but choke the sound on any guitar. If you aren't happy with the sound you are getting from one brand of string, just switch to another! If you want a big sound I recommend the Augustine Regal Red's or, if you want harder tension, Blue. They give a nice sound for me. I prefer the Regal Red's, which is medium tension bottom and high tension top's.

I used to have 2 Yamaha GC-41s and Yamaha only recommended Medium tension strings on them from the factory. Of course, higher tension will work, but over time it will take it's toll on a guitar.

If I were you, I would seriously consider switching the GC-10 to some more normal tension strings. Just try different brands. Eventually, you will pull the top much more than normal tension strings. In the end, you might kill your tone from choking the top out.

I know what you mean about it's hard to find the Yamaha guitars in stock to try our neck of the woods. I don't live too far from you. I am from Niagara. When you get your GC-82, I would love to come see it sometime!

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:25 pm

A luthier friend clarified the setup issues with different strings: yes the nut slots are different, but also the saddle height is altered due to the change in string vibration amplitude.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:30 pm

HNLim wrote:Just curious to know if it is possible to order a GC82S with the GC82C headstock?
I'm not sure about that one...but as a custom job, most likely.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by markodarko » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:45 pm

Philosopherguy wrote:Here is a picture of my 1971 GC-3
Has a certain charm to it, Martin. Nice. 2 years older than me too! :D
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by WoodNString » Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:10 pm

Another nugget to consider: different string brands differ significantly in the way they rate tensions. What is ht for the EJ 46 is mt for Savaraz.
For my Ramirez 1A I found a good balance of clarity vs richness somewhere in the EJ 46 range. I'm putting on mt Hannabach't tonight.

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by HNLim » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:32 pm

Beowulf wrote:
HNLim wrote:Just curious to know if it is possible to order a GC82S with the GC82C headstock?
I'm not sure about that one...but as a custom job, most likely.
Can you ask them?

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:33 pm

Philosopherguy wrote:
Beowulf wrote:I'm just exploring the possibilities. Is the colour of your GC-3 similar to the picture of the GC-10 posted above?

The GC42 is also a very nice instrument and I had considered it; however another chap here thought it would not be much of a step up from my GC-10. Not much chance to try out these instruments where I live.

Douglas
Here is a picture of my 1971 GC-3.

IMG_2468.JPG

It is quite orange to see in person. It is a nice guitar though. Comfortable to play. The scale is 558 and the nut is 51mm.

It is the guitar that I take with me when I go to the cottage, play outside in the backyard, or anything like that. As it already has some "wear", so I am not worried about it. Considering it's age though, it's in very good condition! I recently had the frets done.

Regarding your string question: I think you should forget about EHT strings. They will do nothing but choke the sound on any guitar. If you aren't happy with the sound you are getting from one brand of string, just switch to another! If you want a big sound I recommend the Augustine Regal Red's or, if you want harder tension, Blue. They give a nice sound for me. I prefer the Regal Red's, which is medium tension bottom and high tension top's.

I used to have 2 Yamaha GC-41s and Yamaha only recommended Medium tension strings on them from the factory. Of course, higher tension will work, but over time it will take it's toll on a guitar.

If I were you, I would seriously consider switching the GC-10 to some more normal tension strings. Just try different brands. Eventually, you will pull the top much more than normal tension strings. In the end, you might kill your tone from choking the top out.

I know what you mean about it's hard to find the Yamaha guitars in stock to try our neck of the woods. I don't live too far from you. I am from Niagara. When you get your GC-82, I would love to come see it sometime!

Martin
Ahh...nice and yes it is more orange in stain colour than the GC-10.

Good points on the recommended string tension. I'm presently using Dogal Maestrale HT on the GC-10. They have a very nice "alive" sound with good overtones and dynamics. They take a loooong time to hold tuning and in the end are I think too pricey. I will say that after more than 10 years using EHT D'Addario that the top and neck show no problems...pretty robust construction on the GC-10. The higher tension strings will pull the top up slightly, however variations like that also occur with weather changes. But, good point about the tone consideration. I will listen carefully. I used to use Augustine Blue and may try them again.

I will find out what Yamaha recommends from the factory on the GC82S.

You are on for a visit.

Douglas
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:34 pm

WoodNString wrote:Another nugget to consider: different string brands differ significantly in the way they rate tensions. What is ht for the EJ 46 is mt for Savaraz.
For my Ramirez 1A I found a good balance of clarity vs richness somewhere in the EJ 46 range. I'm putting on mt Hannabach't tonight.
Now that is an important piece of information:

Savarez HT (16.407 Average)

E .0295 19.71
B .0335 14.17
G 0413 13.62
D .0299 18.19
A .0358 16.76
E .0441 15.99

D’Addario EHT (15.302 Average)

E 0.029 17.410
B 0.0333 12.880
G 0.0416 12.660
D 0.030 16.240
A 0.036 16.960
E 0.045 15.660

D’Addario HT (14.99 Average)

E 0.0285 16.810
B 0.0327 12.420
G 0.0410 12.300
D 0.030 16.240
A 0.036 16.960
E 0.044 15.210


Hannabach HT (15.653 Average)

E .028 15.873
B .033. 13.228
G .040. 14.11
D .029. 17.417
A .035 16.976
E .044. 16.314

Hannabach MT (14.955 Average)

E .027 15.432
B .031. 12.346
G .040. 13.889
D .028. 16.535
A .035 16.094
E .043 15.432

The D'Addario EHT strings that I have been using are lower in tension than the Savarez HT (except for the A) and lower than the Hannabach HT(except for the E1). As well, the D'Addario EHT strings have a lower tension G & D than the Hannabach MT. Clearly it is not possible to judge the string tension of a complete set based solely on the manufacturer's designation. When I look at the average string tension they rank as follows from highest to lowest:

Savarez HT (16.407)
Hannabach HT (15.653)
D'Addario EHT (15.302)
D'Addario HT (14.99)
Hannabach MT (14.955)

So, D'Addario EHT is not really extra hard when compared to other string sets.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:35 pm

HNLim wrote:
Beowulf wrote:
HNLim wrote:Just curious to know if it is possible to order a GC82S with the GC82C headstock?
I'm not sure about that one...but as a custom job, most likely.
Can you ask them?
Sure. My contact will ask. The shop for the high end Yamahas is a custom shop with experienced luthiers and they will set up the instrument to the customer's specifications, e.g., for a particular set of strings. The GC82S is however a different guitar than the GC82C (apart from the spruce versus cedar top) and thus the integration of the head stock into the overall design may also be different. If it is possible it might be a "custom" design and might cost more.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Brusko » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:11 pm

If you're going for coloration on the top, I would go for "Cashew finish." When it comes to that, the Japanese are the experts.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:25 pm

Brusko wrote:If you're going for coloration on the top, I would go for "Cashew finish." When it comes to that, the Japanese are the experts.
Do you have a picture of a spruce top with that finish/colour?
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