Yamaha GC82S

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:50 pm

kramer733 wrote:How much are the high end classical guitars by Yamaha?
In Canada the best price I have found: GC82 - $10,000; GC42 - $4800. I was able to negotiate a discount on the GC82S and ended up paying $9400 + tax CDN.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Francisco » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:06 pm

Regarding the tension question whether the neck will handle extra high tension, there is no question that it will. Guitars today are built with very reinforced necks, usually carbon fiber, and a LOT of tension would be needed to warp them. I am sure Yamaha would not build their top of the line guitar with a warpable neck. Personally I usually prefer the sound of normal or sometimes even lower tension, I find it richer. Volume by itself should not be the main priority, especially for those of us who don't play in concert halls.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:25 pm

Francisco wrote:Regarding the tension question whether the neck will handle extra high tension, there is no question that it will. Guitars today are built with very reinforced necks, usually carbon fiber, and a LOT of tension would be needed to warp them. I am sure Yamaha would not build their top of the line guitar with a warpable neck. Personally I usually prefer the sound of normal or sometimes even lower tension, I find it richer. Volume by itself should not be the main priority, especially for those of us who don't play in concert halls.
Thanks for your comments. Although the neck is not reinforced, it does not need to be as the head angle is reduced (9°) and this lowers the tension on the neck. As well the instrument is supplied with Augustine Regal/Blue HT strings (actually slightly higher tension than the D'Addario EHT EJ44C); so no worries.

I prefer HT strings on my present Yamaha not for volume per se, rather I like the the increased dynamic range and tactile response.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by HNLim » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:41 pm

Looks like "D" day is approaching.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:07 am

HNLim wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:41 pm
Looks like "D" day is approaching.
Yup...I've asked for an update on the expected delivery! :)
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Tom » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:29 am

At $10,000 there will be a lot of choices for a good luthier built guitar. I am not a big fan of all the asethetic stuff like woods, workmanship, finishes etc...Will be curious to learn how is this Yamaha sound.


Look forward to a review.

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Julian » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:52 am

Hi Beowulf,

I recently acquired a 1984 Yamaha GC71 built by Akio Naniki with gorgeous looking Brazilian. It's a great guitar no doubt. The tone is already open since it had been played by a professional. Deep and responsive bass, clean and penetrating treble. No crack or repair history but there are a lot of shallow nail marks.I suggest to use NT for the Yamaha GC82S as I do for my GC71. Sometimes the HT specially EHT will choke the guitar. We have to do some experiment on string what is best for the guitar.

It is wise not to stain the top. The color will get darker overtime. My GC71 looks like a cedar color, something that I am off but I just have to put with it. All my guitars get darker overtime except Gary Southwell circa 1997 which still gives a nice yellow color.

Since you live in London, Ont, try to inquire guitars by Canadian makers. They are as great as European luthiers. Compared to European luthiers, Canadian luthiers have less publicity hence less known. Oskar Graf is the finest Canadian luthier in my opinion. He is from Berlin, so then he can be considered as a European luthier. Perfect craftmanship. Excellent tone. There is Daryl Perry in Winnipeg who also makes splendid guitars. Mikhail Robert used to ask me to try out his guitars in his early days making guitars. He made guitars for Pepe Romero afterward. Sergei deJonge revarnished my 1969 Manuel Contreras that I bought from a pawn shop in TO. I used to live very nearby with Kolya Panhuysen. Since he started to reside in Germany, his reputation flourished. His guitars are also great.

But I am confident that your Yamaha GC82S will be a splendid guitar. Compared to my other guitars, Yamaha gives the best job for French polish. The FP on my GC71 still looks fresh as if it was done last week. And Yamaha luthiers do make perfect craftmanship.

Good luck.

Julian
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by HNLim » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:01 am

Yamaha not only produce exquisite guitars for their top models but also these guitars sounds awesome. My 1978 GC30A is just one of the fine example. It's the predessor to the GC70. Marquetry is second to none. A guitar that looks awesome and sounds awesome as well.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:19 pm

Tom wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:29 am
At $10,000 there will be a lot of choices for a good luthier built guitar. I am not a big fan of all the asethetic stuff like woods, workmanship, finishes etc...Will be curious to learn how is this Yamaha sound.

Look forward to a review.
One will be forthcoming once I have made friends... :casque:

As to workmanship (not an aesthetic point in my opinion), I buy a guitar for life...my GC-10 has been with me for 44 years, so workmanship is important to me. There is no evidence of any issues with the construction of the GC-10 and I actually have not humidified it in over 35 years. I did start again this year, just to be kinder to the instrument... :mrgreen:

Finish also affects the sound, communication between the player and the guitar, and the integrity of the instrument. Yamaha takes 2 to 3 months to do the french polish alone and a large number of very thin coats is superior to fewer thick coats.

As to woods, there is much more than aesthetics involved in the choice of tonewoods, but yes, if wood is chosen solely on the basis of appearance that is not worth much in my view.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:37 pm

Julian wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:52 am
Hi Beowulf,

I recently acquired a 1984 Yamaha GC71 built by Akio Naniki with gorgeous looking Brazilian. It's a great guitar no doubt. The tone is already open since it had been played by a professional. Deep and responsive bass, clean and penetrating treble. No crack or repair history but there are a lot of shallow nail marks.I suggest to use NT for the Yamaha GC82S as I do for my GC71. Sometimes the HT specially EHT will choke the guitar. We have to do some experiment on string what is best for the guitar.

It is wise not to stain the top. The color will get darker overtime. My GC71 looks like a cedar color, something that I am off but I just have to put with it. All my guitars get darker overtime except Gary Southwell circa 1997 which still gives a nice yellow color.

Since you live in London, Ont, try to inquire guitars by Canadian makers. They are as great as European luthiers. Compared to European luthiers, Canadian luthiers have less publicity hence less known. Oskar Graf is the finest Canadian luthier in my opinion. He is from Berlin, so then he can be considered as a European luthier. Perfect craftmanship. Excellent tone. There is Daryl Perry in Winnipeg who also makes splendid guitars. Mikhail Robert used to ask me to try out his guitars in his early days making guitars. He made guitars for Pepe Romero afterward. Sergei deJonge revarnished my 1969 Manuel Contreras that I bought from a pawn shop in TO. I used to live very nearby with Kolya Panhuysen. Since he started to reside in Germany, his reputation flourished. His guitars are also great.

But I am confident that your Yamaha GC82S will be a splendid guitar. Compared to my other guitars, Yamaha gives the best job for French polish. The FP on my GC71 still looks fresh as if it was done last week. And Yamaha luthiers do make perfect craftmanship.

Good luck.

Julian
I will certainly be experimenting with strings...starting with those that come on the guitar: Augustine Regal/Blue. Given my nail shape and technique (I play from the outside of the nails with the wrist dropped...as did Ida Presti), HT strings work better for me...but we will see. It will take time to get acquainted with the GC82S and discover what works best.

I had considered Canadian luthiers, but knowing how much I like about my GC-10...the upgrade was my best choice. I was also able to get the information from Yamaha on those working on my instrument. Interesting that Akio Naniki who built your GC-71 is the designer of the GC82S. I suspect there will be similarities in the sound.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:38 pm

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by bacsidoan » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:58 pm

Beowulf wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:50 pm
kramer733 wrote:How much are the high end classical guitars by Yamaha?
In Canada the best price I have found: GC82 - $10,000; GC42 - $4800. I was able to negotiate a discount on the GC82S and ended up paying $9400 + tax CDN.
9400 CAD = 7000 USD. Could be a bargain if the guitar sounds as good as it looks. I'm sure that you will keep us posted. :)

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:32 pm

bacsidoan wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:58 pm
Beowulf wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:50 pm
kramer733 wrote:How much are the high end classical guitars by Yamaha?
In Canada the best price I have found: GC82 - $10,000; GC42 - $4800. I was able to negotiate a discount on the GC82S and ended up paying $9400 + tax CDN.
9400 CAD = 7000 USD. Could be a bargain if the guitar sounds as good as it looks. I'm sure that you will keep us posted. :)
It may be a few years before I can drag myself away from the guitar...there is something far more satisfying about plucking a string compared to tapping a mouse button/keyboard letter... :lol:
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by 630mm » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:19 pm

Have you heard anything? Eagerly awaiting...
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