Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

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Jae Lee
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby Jae Lee » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:00 am

Watch out! Here some hungry people are devaluing a guitar.
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby alpsman » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:07 am

I had one ( from a friend) for 4 years-2008 to 2012. It was from 1978 no.12705, Borenguero Marcos also. It was for selling for 3000euros-about 3200us dollars now- and there was no buyer anywhere. The problem is the big scale, too much offers of Ramirez guitars and old-fashioned feeling( althought it was a very good guitar). I think 3000 dollars is a very satisfied amount for the seller, less i.e 2800-2500 a great opportunity for the buyer.

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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby Carlos » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:17 pm

I bought a 1984 1a Rio spruce for 2400 EUR one year ago. No regret, great guitar, and good price.

The risks with the 1a from 70's is hard playability due to high string action (as top heightened with time because could not afford tension created by longer neck). This puts a cap on selling price.

2900 dollar is a good price for the seller, and not as bad for the buyer. I could consider buying at that price. I am not sure i would buy for much more as i like to get a good price, but surely 3500 dollar would not be an unreasonable ask either. But if would take more time to sell.

Some ask much more, but i am not sure if they sell.

Bottom line is height of string action for your guitar, and you say it's ok which is reassuring. And it's Rio
So, that makes 2900 dollar an offer worth considering for the buyer.

Hope that helps

Carlos.
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby celestemcc » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:21 pm

I have a '78 1a. This thread inspired me to play it yesterday... How do you determine who made it? I can't see it on the label.
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby Carlos » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:55 pm

celestemcc wrote:I have a '78 1a. This thread inspired me to play it yesterday... How do you determine who made it? I can't see it on the label.


You need to look inside the guitar up the label on the wood, there is a stamp with either initials or numbers (depending on the construction year).

Looking at this link you can find the name of your guitar maker:
https://guitarrasramirez.com/index.php? ... os&lang=en

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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby celestemcc » Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:56 pm

You need to look inside the guitar up the label on the wood, there is a stamp with either initials or numbers (depending on the construction year).


Thank you, Carlos -- I'm looking at it now and can't find the stamp anywhere on the wood. Do Do I need a mirror? For what it's worth here is the label:
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1978 Ramirez 1a cedar

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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby celestemcc » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:11 pm

You need to look inside the guitar up the label on the wood, there is a stamp with either initials or numbers (depending on the construction year).


Thank you, Carlos, I'm looking at the wood above and below the label right now, and cannot find the stamp. Should I use a mirror inside -- Is there a specific spot to look? I've attached a photo of the label, for what it's worth. Thanks anyone who may be able to help!

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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby Carlos » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:01 pm

celestemcc wrote:
You need to look inside the guitar up the label on the wood, there is a stamp with either initials or numbers (depending on the construction year).


Thank you, Carlos, I'm looking at the wood above and below the label right now, and cannot find the stamp. Should I use a mirror inside -- Is there a specific spot to look? I've attached a photo of the label, for what it's worth. Thanks anyone who may be able to help!


Well you need indeed a mirror (at least for mine). The number is below the rosette on the neck end. I took a picture for you (click on it to see it full size, number on my guitar is 18):
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby celestemcc » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:06 pm

Ah, thank you! Hubby has a dental mirror somewhere, I'll find it!
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby khayes » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:36 pm

You can also use your phone to take a few photos inside the body.
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby celestemcc » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:01 pm

Found it! Mine was made by #5, Fernando Morcuende de Cruz. Looks like Indian rather than Brazilian; cost $2000 in NYC in 1979. Thanks for the help, gentlemen!
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby Carlos » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:22 pm

khayes wrote:You can also use your phone to take a few photos inside the body.

Hi Khayes, thanks for the tip, but this only works for clever people, and it seems I am not one of them lol :-)
Cheers,
Carlos.

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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby Carlos » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:24 pm

celestemcc wrote:Found it! Mine was made by #5, Fernando Morcuende de Cruz. Looks like Indian rather than Brazilian; cost $2000 in NYC in 1979. Thanks for the help, gentlemen!


Cool, I am glad you found out! Lucky you! I am sure your guitar has a gorgeous sound!
(mine is spruce, it´s great, but I would still be happy to get a typical 1a cedar top from older years like yours)

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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby celestemcc » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:41 pm

Cool, I am glad you found out!


Me too! Always wondered. It's cedar/Indian (unless it's a very plainly figured Brazilian, which I doubt). A colleague got an otherwise identical '77 at nearly the same time (we bought them in '79); we both had great guitars, but mine had a slightly better treble, when we compared. Apparently the "golden years" though for the 1a were the '60s.

The downside was always the 664 scale, high action, and dead-flat fingerboard. I loved it dearly (still do) and I keep it, but my main guitar is now a 640 spruce/Indian Connor, which is much easier to play and sounds utterly lovely, if different. I still take out the Ramirez now and then; playing the shorter scale Connor has improved my technique to the point where I can handle the Ramirez a lot better, but much as I love the Ramirez, it was just too difficult to play in the long run. I'm happier with the new instrument, but it's fun to hear the 1a again for that sound that first seduced me years ago.
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Re: Help valuing: Ramirez 1A 1978

Postby David Conti » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:05 am

My dad gave me a 74 with Brazilian B+S in 1975. It's a pretty nice guitar but not great as by that time Ramirez was starting to really apply the polyurethane pretty heavy. nice ones go for around 3-4k and I can't imagine anyone paying 6k.
I do really like the 650 scale ramirez's from the 60's however. Some are just wonderful guitars and are lightly built and sound great.


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