Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

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Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by rinneby » Thu May 25, 2017 12:21 pm

I have the opportunity to get my hands a Paco Santiago Marin 1979, condition looks good with no cracks or repairs. Since I can't play the guitar, only trust the seller, I wonder what a fair price would be for this guitar? Can't find much info on his older guitars.

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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by petermc61 » Thu May 25, 2017 12:34 pm

What's the asking price? My guess would be about €3,000 but that is purely a guess based on instinct.

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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by rinneby » Thu May 25, 2017 12:38 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 12:34 pm
What's the asking price? My guess would be about €3,000 but that is purely a guess based on instinct.
The deal is trading my in Masaru Kohno 1982 and me paying 2000 euro...

/Jon
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by petermc61 » Thu May 25, 2017 12:43 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 12:38 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 12:34 pm
What's the asking price? My guess would be about €3,000 but that is purely a guess based on instinct.
The deal is trading my in Masaru Kohno 1982 and me paying 2000 euro...

/Jon
My instinct tells me an exchange price of €1500 would seem closer to the mark.

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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by rinneby » Thu May 25, 2017 12:46 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 12:43 pm
rinneby wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 12:38 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 12:34 pm
What's the asking price? My guess would be about €3,000 but that is purely a guess based on instinct.
The deal is trading my in Masaru Kohno 1982 and me paying 2000 euro...

/Jon
My instinct tells me an exchange price of €1500 would seem closer to the mark.
Not if the Paco Marin is "worth" only 3000 euro :) I value my -82 to 3000-4000, its looks almost new. Also has BR back and sides, and is signed by Kohno.

/Jon
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by rinneby » Thu May 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Any other opinions, before I decide?

/Jon
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by Beowulf » Thu May 25, 2017 2:17 pm

You might try contacting Miles at kentguitarclassics. He is very knowledgeable and they carry Marin guitars.
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by MrF1 » Thu May 25, 2017 2:21 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 2:07 pm
Any other opinions, before I decide?

/Jon
I recommend negotiating a trial period of three days or so, just in case. I know with trades, this becomes complicated.

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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by rinneby » Thu May 25, 2017 3:17 pm

Beowulf wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 2:17 pm
You might try contacting Miles at kentguitarclassics. He is very knowledgeable and they carry Marin guitars.
Yes, Miles is a great guy. I've taked to him before. Thank you for reminding me.

/Jon
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by nmshu1 » Thu May 25, 2017 4:57 pm

I would like to suggest you to try first. It's sound should be satisfied and its playability should be satisfied too. I tried many famous guitars at GSI. Not everyone is suitable to me...
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by MessyTendon » Fri May 26, 2017 6:00 pm

No deal..sight unseen...Don't do it. The Kohno has a loyal following. The Marin guitar, I know nothing about. But I can tell that the Kohno and higher end Japanese guitars have a market niche, that is always there...Higher end guitars often sell for so much less than they were new.

I just don't see how the risk is worth the reward. Maybe the guitar sounds pretty good, but to lose one guitar and 2,000 euro, that's a big price to pay for an unknown.

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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by rinneby » Fri May 26, 2017 6:43 pm

MessyTendon wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 6:00 pm
No deal..sight unseen...Don't do it. The Kohno has a loyal following. The Marin guitar, I know nothing about. But I can tell that the Kohno and higher end Japanese guitars have a market niche, that is always there...Higher end guitars often sell for so much less than they were new.

I just don't see how the risk is worth the reward. Maybe the guitar sounds pretty good, but to lose one guitar and 2,000 euro, that's a big price to pay for an unknown.
I can assure you that the deal (ofc) didn't take place :) Thank you.

Btw. Miles valued the Paco to 3000-3500 euros.

/Jon
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Re: Reasonable price for a Paco Santiago Marin 1979

Post by zavaletas » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:35 am

New in his shop in Granada you would pay 6000 Euro, but then he now has over 50 years of experience as a builder. I would think that 3000 Euros is in the ball park if there are no structural issues.

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