Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

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Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:29 am

Hello Everyone,

I am a brand-new member of the "DelCamp Classical Guitar" website. I call myself, "play sweet." I look forward to learn much, from everyone, who share the love of playing and hearing the beautiful music, of the classical guitar.

I am currently looking to understand the value of our Manuel Contreras, Sr. "Double Top" Guitar, that has been in our family, since it's birth (1979.)

The guitar is a Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar.
Inside the label it reads:
"Constructor de Guitarras M.G. Contreras" Calle Mayor, 80 Madrid, 1979. It is signed "ala Manuel Contreras" across the label.
It's top is made of fine quarter spruce. The back & sides are book matched Brazilian rosewood, with the bridge being rosewood, with bone inlays.

If anyone can help me, with the guitar's value, I would greatly appreciate it, with a "Thank you," in advance.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
"play sweet"

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by rinneby » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:16 am

Welcome. It's hard to put a value without looking at the guitar. A wild guess would be around 5000-6000 Euro, maybe even more if its in really good condition and you find the right buyer.

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by souldier » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:38 pm

That sounds interesting. I wonder if the term "double top" refers to the same as the sandwich tops being used today or if it is completely unrelated.
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by Chris Sobel » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:58 am

souldier wrote:
Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:38 pm
That sounds interesting. I wonder if the term "double top" refers to the same as the sandwich tops being used today or if it is completely unrelated.
No it's a reference to the back: "double tapa" is sometimes erroneously translated as double top in the nomex sense but it's a particular back design that was used by Contreras and I believe also Ramirez has used it as well.

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:43 am

Hello, and thank you for your responses, re. the Contreras.

The "double top" was a system created by Contreras, Sr. The back, of the guitar, is laminated with another soundboard. The guitar was purchased directly, from Spain, and we (my husband & I) have been it's sole owners. It was been respectfully cared for throughout the years of our ownership.

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by Keith » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:36 pm

play sweet, the best resource to get info and value on your guitar is to go to the source--the Contreras family who have a website. Secondary resources include GSI and Zavaletas. Aaron Green who is a world class level luthier also sells guitars made by known and upper level luthiers such as Ramirez, Hauser, etc. etc. may be able to give you some insight and probably some good info. Check out his website if for no other reason than seeing and listening to world class guitars.

As a side note if you decide to sell the guitar. Dalbergia nigra (BRW) has been banned since 1992 and the guitar would need some documentation that the wood was harvested before that year. Unfortunately labels may not count as they can be faked. All Dalbergias (other than D. nigra) became semi-banned this year--not as restrictive as D. nigra but paperwork is required to cross borders. Paperwork on the guitar will be a big plus in your favor. If you live in the USA and decide to sell it out of country the burden becomes greater and you will have hoops to jump through.
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by hesson11 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:28 am

Just a note that the "GSI" Keith referred to above is Guitar Salon International. Google that and Zavaletas guitars. (Forum rules prohibit links to sites that sell things.)

Also, if you care to share your location, perhaps some of us would know of a qualified appraiser in your area. There's no substitute for a hands-on appraisal, if pricing the guitar is that important to you. Good luck. It sounds like a wonderful guitar.
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by Bill B » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:47 am

i am sure I'm not the only one who would love to see pictures.
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:34 am

Thank you, Keith, Bob & Bill.

I appreciate all the great advice and direction. I will check out all suggestions & websites.

I do have many pictures of the Contreras, however, I have to learn how to post them on this website. I'll work on that soon.

Thanks, again,
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by hesson11 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:34 am

Photos are pretty easy to post on this site. Below the "Quick Reply" box at the bottom of this page, click on "Full Editor & Preview." On the next page, click on the "Attachments" tab just below the text-entry box. That lets you select any photo that's on your hard drive.
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:38 pm

Bob,

Thank you, for your guide to posting photos, on this site. I'm going to give it a try, right now. If unsuccessful, I'll try later, time permitting.

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:01 pm

Hi Bob,

I tried to follow your instructions, for attaching a photo to the site. All seemed OK, but I kept getting rejected, because the "file was too large."
Can you share any insight for the lack of success??

Thanks,
"sweet play"

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:45 pm

Hi again, Bob,

I hope the two photos, of the Contreras "Double Top,
" have made it to the site. I had to downsize the attached (hopefully) before the site seemed to accept the proceeding photos.
So, here ago,
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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by play sweet » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:25 pm

Hello everyone,

I am including additional information, relating to the Contreras, Sr. guitar. I hope it proves more helpfu, for members, with value of the guitar.

Best regards,
"play sweet"

Manuel Contreras, Sr., 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar, material listing:

Top: Fine quartered spruce
Sides/Back: Book matched Brazilian rosewood
Bridge: Brazilian rosewood, with bone inlays
Neck: Spanish cedar, with grafted heel and head
Fingerboard: Ebony, with nike-silver frets
Nuts/Saddle: Ivory
Bandings: Rosewood, with white filets, herringbone top
String length: 660mm (54mm nut)
Rosette: Black/white geometric, with herringbone borders
Varnish: Catalyzed urethane

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Re: Manuel Contreras, Sr. 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar

Post by rinneby » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:27 pm

play sweet wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:25 pm
Hello everyone,

I am including additional information, relating to the Contreras, Sr. guitar. I hope it proves more helpfu, for members, with value of the guitar.

Best regards,
"play sweet"

Manuel Contreras, Sr., 1979 "Double Top" Concert Guitar, material listing:

Top: Fine quartered spruce
Sides/Back: Book matched Brazilian rosewood
Bridge: Brazilian rosewood, with bone inlays
Neck: Spanish cedar, with grafted heel and head
Fingerboard: Ebony, with nike-silver frets
Nuts/Saddle: Ivory
Bandings: Rosewood, with white filets, herringbone top
String length: 660mm (54mm nut)
Rosette: Black/white geometric, with herringbone borders
Varnish: Catalyzed urethane
It's a very fine guitar indeed. But the 660 scale might lower the value some, I don't know... I still say 5000-6000 Euro.

/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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