Identifying an old Ramirez

itchieyc
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Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by itchieyc » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:15 am

Hi,

Acquired this 1960 Ramirez recently and am wondering if anyone can help identify it. I'm assuming it's an outsourced student model(?) but can't find anything more about it than that. I'm not really interested in it's value (although feel free to chime in), just want to know more about it.. Sorry pic's seem rotated..

Thank you!
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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by Guitar Slim Jr. » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:35 am

No expert, but... The label looks weird. Every Ramirez I've ever seen has had the same cursive logo on the label. I've never seen one that looked like the one in the picture.

Weren't there a lot of stories in the 60s and 70s about fake or mis-labelled Ramirez guitars on the market?

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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by Keith » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:54 am

go to the Ramirez website and you can find info on labels used. the label in the photo does show up in the Ramirez history but it was used for guitars made by someone else and sold via Ramirez. what is interesting is that it appears either the back strip was just blocks poorly glued in or there was a repair done and the label glued over a block. my sense is the latter. that said, the guitar is not a Ramirez.
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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by itchieyc » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:14 pm

Couldn't find label info on the current Ramirez website but using looking at a cached page of their old website it does look like that label was in use. No idea about the back strip though...but I did see a listing for a 1949 Ramirez that has something similar looking (attached).
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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by Keith » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:23 pm

if using blocks for the back strip was the thing it clearly shows the Ramirez folks expected a clean and even job by whoever made their estudios compared to the guitar sold in the Ramirez store.
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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by Guitar Slim Jr. » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:20 am

Hmm... It says above that Ramirez stopped using the similar label in 1957. But this label says 1960. Something hinky here, IMO.

But what do I know?. Get it looked by an expert. Or, send the pics to a distributor, or even to the Ramirez company. I'd love to know what they say.

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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by oc chuck » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:59 am

Just wondering, how does the guitar play and sound?

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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by simonm » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:13 am

itchieyc wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:15 am
… I'm assuming it's an outsourced student model(?) ...
Given that the label was used for "ordinary studio" models I believe you are correct. I doubt if the 1957 vs 1960 date "discrepancy" is significant. It could just mean that the outsourcer still had some of the older labels and used them up before switching to whatever the newer label was. From the picture I wouldn't be surprised if the back is a laminate despite the apparent centre join. Could be a mahogany of some kind. But without seeing the outside it is impossible to say.

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Re: Identifying an old Ramirez

Post by itchieyc » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:59 am

Apologies for the time gap here, I did end up emailing Ramirez and here is what they had to say

"Looking at the pictures you send us, it seems to be a studio guitar bought in our shop but not made by us. I mean, it belongs to a studio line that we selected from other Spanish constructors, reviewed and adjusted and we put our label on it so we can give our warranty. So it was a studio running guitar."

In terms of how it plays an sounds... in my humble opinion (having just gotten back into the swing of things after decade long gap)...it plays great and sounds lush.

Thanks the help and replies!

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