Guitar for granddaughter

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Guitar for granddaughter

Post by pogmoor » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:53 pm

My granddaughter aged 7 has decided she wants to learn the guitar and her mother is arranging for her to start in September with a teacher who provides lessons at her school. Naturally I have been drafted in to advise on what guitar to buy :shock:

She's quite tall for her age and I think a 3/4 size guitar might suit her best. There aren't any shops selling quality guitars nearby so I'm wondering what the options are. The local shop sells three Admira models (Alba, Clasico and Infante) and the much cheaper Jose Ferrer Estudiante. I'll go along with them and try them out but I've also been looking at one of the international music dealer websites and noticed (more expensive) the Cordoba Cadete and the Hellweg Junior III SH (the latter with quite impressive sounding sound samples) that both look quite promising.

Anyone got any useful advice (I'm in the UK, near Oxford)?
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by hatalap » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:25 pm

If your daughter is tall for her age you might consider a 7/8 guitar. My daughter started with a 7/8 steel string and is tall for her age, and started around the same time. Cordoba Dolce is an option as it is less expensive than their C9 and C10 versions. You can likely get a used one online.

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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by Mickmac » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:32 am

I am tempted to advise going with the cheapest model in case you granddaughter decides after a couple of weeks she really wants to learn piano/violin/double bass instead.

If she sticks at it for six months say, then you might consider getting her a decent guitar.

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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:50 am

Since you have the experience and the time, I'd have a look in the local paper (or gumtree etc) for used guitars (assuming that's not an aesthetic issue for the little girl) because if it doesn't work out it can be sold again for much the same, and it should be a better guitar for the ££. Some might be 'as new'.
For new I normally advise Admira, but the Infante, while it sounds nice, can have issues due to the lack of heel (possibly the Clasico is the same). I have students with Albas. The Infanta and Clasico are out of date models though and that might be a bargaining point.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by pogmoor » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:50 pm

Thanks everyone for the helpful advice (this includes a message from Jose Marques I've had to remove to stay within forum rules; but I will follow up via private message) and thanks Stephen for useful bargaining information about the Admira models!

I'm tempted to try and get a worthwhile instrument so that if my granddaughter doesn't persist I can bid to take it over and restring it as a terz guitar :mrgreen:
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by Adrian Allan » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:59 pm

I recently bought my son a 7/8 size Pro Natura guitar from a website that I can't quote here, but the first half of the name is the first name of the Telford, the road maker (the first three letters only), and the second half of the name is the opposite of "woman", but with a double n at the end.

The quality really is excellent and it has a solid spruce top. They are also available 3/4 size. A lot better than equivalent Admiras in my opinion. I play it myself.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by pogmoor » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:22 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:59 pm
I recently bought my son a 7/8 size Pro Natura guitar from a website that I can't quote here, but the first half of the name is the first name of the Telford, the road maker (the first three letters only), and the second half of the name is the opposite of "woman", but with a double n at the end.
Yes, that was the dealer I was referring to in my first post. I've had good service from them in the past with accessories and some of the guitars on their website do look impressive. It's good that they publish sound samples - though you can't always tell too much from those.

If you don't mind me asking, how old is your son to be using a 7/8 size guitar?
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by Adrian Allan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:42 pm

He is ten years old and is five foot tall. He has not had any problems with the size so far; he is on Guitarist's Way Book 3, the Green One and I teach him. He was on a 3/4 size, but he seems to be growing fast and he might catch up to me eventually (I am 6"4). IMO the guitar is very nice and better than Admira at the same price point. I think they also offer one in birch, which is interesting.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by pogmoor » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:11 pm

Thanks for the info. Yes, I'd noticed the birch one - looks interesting.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by bear » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:27 pm

My wife is 4'10" and has 2 580 mm guitars that she finds comfortable. One of the is a Cordoba Requinto.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by Adrian Allan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:53 pm

bear wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:27 pm
My wife is 4'10" and has 2 580 mm guitars that she finds comfortable. One of the is a Cordoba Requinto.
If a 7/8 size guitar means 7/8 x 650, which = 568.75, then your wife is slightly smaller than my son and has a slightly bigger guitar. It is whatever is comfortable for the individual. When I used to teach guitar my general rule was 1/2 size for infants, 3/4 for last two years of junior and into high school. High school, possibly moving into full size, but 7/8 is a good transition and will even suit a lot of adults. I was an exception as I started on a full size aged 9/10 in 1981.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by bear » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:10 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:53 pm
bear wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:27 pm
My wife is 4'10" and has 2 580 mm guitars that she finds comfortable. One of the is a Cordoba Requinto.
If a 7/8 size guitar means 7/8 x 650, which = 568.75, then your wife is slightly smaller than my son and has a slightly bigger guitar. It is whatever is comfortable for the individual. When I used to teach guitar my general rule was 1/2 size for infants, 3/4 for last two years of junior and into high school. High school, possibly moving into full size, but 7/8 is a good transition and will even suit a lot of adults. I was an exception as I started on a full size aged 9/10 in 1981.
Unfortunately, I've found some guitars described as 7/8 to be small than those described as 3/4. I think a 1/2 is more uke than guitar. I prefer the metric. It's more reliable. Some people use the american system indiscriminately. They might as well describe the guitar as being "about so big".
My wife also plays a Candelas 655mm with a 50 mm nut, but the 580's are a bit easier.
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by sphsieh616 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:34 am

My daughter is about 4′1" and she use 540mm guitar, this is an alto guitar.
It's hard to find small guitar in my area, so I gave my alto guitar to her.

I use la bella FG112 Fractional Guitar strings and standard tuning,
the tension and pitch is almost the same as full size guitar.

If you want to buy small guitar, better to check the scales instead of judging by 3/4, 7/8,
Different brand's 3/4 guitar may have different scales.

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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:13 am

I bought a Cordoba Cadet 3/4 size classical as a scratch-n-dent for $100 bucks from a major online seller. It had a 3 inch long gauge in the finish on he bass side upper bout. I filled it in with super glue and then sanded it. It looked like new when I was done. You couldn't tell, and I made money when I traded it off. She went to a full size after about four months. Man they put a lot of finish on those.

What did you wind up getting her?
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Re: Guitar for granddaughter

Post by pogmoor » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:10 am

My daughter told me last week she'd seen a child's classical guitar for sale on local message board for £10 so she bought it and will show it to me next time she comes over. If it is ok for her daughter to start with she will use it; if it's no good I'll probably go to the local music shop with them both and look at the Admira models. There's no immediate hurry as she won't start lessons until next month.
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