Manuel Contreras - Info?

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Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:19 am

Dear friends. As some of you might know I have quite some knowledge of Japanese classical guitars, but less so with Spanish builders.

I recently came across a "Contreras" that is unsigned, but to my understanding built in his workshop (due to the headstock shape and label). Build quality looks nice enough and the tuners are what looks to be Fustero. The scale is 650/52. Is this a so called 2A, or N-2 that they are called today? I haven't found much more info about this particular model. Thank you.

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:28 am

No one? :)
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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by musguitar » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:25 am

Hi Jon,

I read somewhere that Contreras worked the same way as Jose Ramirez did. If there were any flaws on the 1A guitar they were labelled 2A or not signed. Probably you already know that Contreras worked in the Ramirez workshop in the '50s.

If unsigned label, most likely made by one of Contreras' workmen.

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:48 am

musguitar wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:25 am
Hi Jon,

I read somewhere that Contreras worked the same way as Jose Ramirez did. If there were any flaws on the 1A guitar they were labelled 2A or not signed. Probably you already know that Contreras worked in the Ramirez workshop in the '50s.

If unsigned label, most likely made by one of Contreras' workmen.
Yes, indeed. But what I actually would like to know is if this guitar actually was made in the original workshop and not like the "Guitarreria" or "Guitarra de estudio" guitars. Some people say that all none signed Contreras guitars are "studio models" and not built in the workshop, some people say that "Luthier" means it's built in the Manuel Contreras workshop, but not by Manuel sr/jr. So I'm a little confused. But the shape of the headstock tells me this is a "real" Contreras, but not built by Manuel. Hopefully I'm right.

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by dandan » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:21 pm

I think because the label reads "luthier" rather than "Guitarreria" and features the address of the workshop, I would guess it is a 2a model made, not by Manuel himself, but one of the luthiers in the Conteras workshop at least.
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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by Bill » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:38 pm

It was indeed built in the Contreras work shop

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by RichardUno » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:21 pm

It might have been built by Manuel himself or by one of his assistants, perhaps by. Ignacio Rozas, a fellow Ramirez ex-worker and a great luthier in his own right. I think that it was definitely built in the Contreras workshop in any case.

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:06 pm

Thank's everyone. I think it's now safe to say that this guitar was built in the Contreras work shop, by whom still unknown.

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/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by MessyTendon » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:28 am

Yes it's a lower tier model...built in the general area where Contreras worked...I mean it's really low end,I'm willing to trade you my private label Sherry Brenner Deluxe, and a six pack of beer for it :)

I think you scored a sleeper guitar. How the heck do you keep finding these nice guitars?

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:53 am

MessyTendon wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:28 am
I think you scored a sleeper guitar. How the heck do you keep finding these nice guitars?
Too much time on my hands? ;)

Jokes aside, finding nice guitars is one of my hobbies. I'm a full time musician (not a professional classical guitarist though) and I just love to search high and low for great guitars.

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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:08 pm

I bought the guitar and will probably have it next week. Thank's for all help.

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/Jon
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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:23 pm

Today I got an replay from Victoria Velasco, manager at Contreras work shop, regarding my guitar:

We have already checked the pictures and we can confirm you this is a Concert hand made Contreras guitar but not the high end models but one of the most simple ones. In that epoch they were just called "Guitarras de 2ª de Concierto" (something like "second class concert guitar). Nowadays we construct two models of that level just called model Nº2 and model Nº3.

They had not the common signature on the lable because in that epoch Manuel Contreras used to just sign the guitars he made by himself which were to high end ones, while these were the ones made by officials at the workshop.

I hope this information could be useful for you.

Sincerely yours
Victoria Velasco


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/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by Carter53 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:38 pm

Congratulations on your newest acquisition. It's a beautiful looking instrument.
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Re: Manuel Contreras - Info?

Post by rinneby » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:41 pm

Carter53 wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:38 pm
Congratulations on your newest acquisition. It's a beautiful looking instrument.
Thanks. Hopefully here tomorrow, if the postal service works with me... :)

/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

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