Mystery Guitar

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KenO
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Mystery Guitar

Post by KenO » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:39 pm

Hello CGForum,
Was hoping to get some help identifying this mystery guitar (please see link below). Needed to get an inexpensive flamenco/classical cutaway for a conversion into a nylon/electric. Found this guitar on an auction site in Japan thinking it would be a perfect beater to fix up and install the PU. Really surprised when I received it today. Everything is solid wood, no laminates. Here are the specs:

Scale: 655mm
Total Length: 985mm
Body: W: 287, 237, 360mm; L: 485mm; D: 90mm
Neck Width: Nut: 52mm; Neck/Body Joint: 62mm
Table: Cedar(?) w/ 1912 Ramirez style bracing
Back/Sides: Ovangkol(?)
Neck: Mahogany(?)
Fretboard: Ebony(?)
Bridge: Ebony(?)

A few of the braces have popped off and the top has a small crack that can easily be fixed. The bracing, neck joint, binding, purfling, etc... is finished with a high level of proficiency. No labels, no stamped serial numbers...but a really unusual looking headstock. Maybe a private builder? It is quite heavy for a classical. Can't use Photobucket anymore for 3rd Party Hosting; so I'm trying out Flickr, but can't seem to get that working either. I'm hoping this link will work. I have a feeling this might be a Local Japanese Luthier's work? Or maybe a product of one of our CGF folks?

https://www.flickr.com/gp/131306403@N07/yjEvXg

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks a bunch in advance! :merci:
'06 Asturias Prelude S; '02 Yamaha CG101; '68 S. Nogami Concert Tenor; '67 Hashimoto No. 232

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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by TheEvan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Very Interesting.

Based on the aesthetic alone, I might guess South American, possibly Mexican.

Nice rosette

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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by KenO » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:27 pm

Thanks for the comment TheEvan. Yes, the rosette is really beautiful. A lot of subtle herringbone theme throughout. Must have spent a lot of time in the sun as the finish is peeling off in many places. For an auction win of 3,500 JPY (about $35+$15 for S/H), this is a whole lot of guitar! My assumption was private Japanese copy of something Spanish, but South American or Mexican sounds as/more feasible.

Ooh! I think Ive got the 3rd Party thingy figured out...
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The neck joint fitted quite nicely...
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And the rosette is beautiful!
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Finally, the distinctive head stock...
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Whoa...any visibility of the pics out there?
'06 Asturias Prelude S; '02 Yamaha CG101; '68 S. Nogami Concert Tenor; '67 Hashimoto No. 232

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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by KenO » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:00 pm

Looks like my Flickr pics are showing up in the thread! Let the migration from Photobucket commence!
'06 Asturias Prelude S; '02 Yamaha CG101; '68 S. Nogami Concert Tenor; '67 Hashimoto No. 232

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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by andreas777 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:25 pm

I have no idea about your mystery guitar, but I see in your signature that you own a Nogami guitar. Jon an me, we both bought a Nogami too lately, and all of them are from the same year 1968...strange.
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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by KenO » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:44 pm

Wow, a fellow Nogami player! I've never actually met another player with a Nogami! My Mom was the original owner. Bought the guitar in '68 (I think we still have the receipt somewhere), and gave it to me about 5 years ago. Sweet strong voice with clear note separation, I wish I had more information about the guitar - it is phenomenal. Thanks for posting, and introducing yourself andreas777. How do you and Jon like your Nogami's?
'06 Asturias Prelude S; '02 Yamaha CG101; '68 S. Nogami Concert Tenor; '67 Hashimoto No. 232

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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by andreas777 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:59 pm

KenO wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:44 pm
Wow, a fellow Nogami player! I've never actually met another player with a Nogami! My Mom was the original owner. Bought the guitar in '68 (I think we still have the receipt somewhere), and gave it to me about 5 years ago. Sweet strong voice with clear note separation, I wish I had more information about the guitar - it is phenomenal. Thanks for posting, and introducing yourself andreas777. How do you and Jon like your Nogami's?
My Nogami is currently getting a new finish. I have only played 15 minutes on it because I brought it to my luthier the same day I received it. Jon has written some background information about Nogami and posted some pictures of his guitar in the "We who love Japanese classical guitars" thread. I think it would be very interesting to see a few pictures of your Nogami there...
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Re: Mystery Guitar

Post by KenO » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:09 pm

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Nogami when it comes back! I'll search the forums for the info and post some pics later. Thanks andreas777!
'06 Asturias Prelude S; '02 Yamaha CG101; '68 S. Nogami Concert Tenor; '67 Hashimoto No. 232

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