Takamine C132S plug

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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by souldier » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:52 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
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I have a 1977 C132S and it has solid Indian Rosewood back and sides, not laminated. Bone nut and saddle, not plastic. What year did Takemine start to cut back on materials in the C132S? Can you folks with a C132S measure the fret height. Mine is 1.1 mm. I am curious if your's is the same or different.
That's quite surprising if you have solid IRW. Have you looked inside the guitar to see if the grain is identical on the outside of the guitar? Mine is a laminate or double plate, though in the end all I really care about is the sound and playability.
Of course I looked inside the guitar to check if the grains matched. How else other than removing the back looking for glue joints? What kind of wood is your's laminated with on the inside?
The wood on the inside of my guitar is also indian rosewood. I had to look several times to see if they were different
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by SteveL123 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:08 pm

souldier wrote:
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SteveL123 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:40 pm
souldier wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:34 pm


That's quite surprising if you have solid IRW. Have you looked inside the guitar to see if the grain is identical on the outside of the guitar? Mine is a laminate or double plate, though in the end all I really care about is the sound and playability.
Of course I looked inside the guitar to check if the grains matched. How else other than removing the back looking for glue joints? What kind of wood is your's laminated with on the inside?
The wood on the inside of my guitar is also indian rosewood. I had to look several times to see if they were different
So your's is not laminated? While the grains of the sides match from outside to inside, the inside of mine is unnaturally dark, looks like its been dyed. Mine weighs in at1580 grams. It has a truss rod that is not accessible without drilling a hole in the harmonic bar. How about yours?

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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by souldier » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:06 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:08 pm
souldier wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:52 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:40 pm


Of course I looked inside the guitar to check if the grains matched. How else other than removing the back looking for glue joints? What kind of wood is your's laminated with on the inside?
The wood on the inside of my guitar is also indian rosewood. I had to look several times to see if they were different
So your's is not laminated? While the grains of the sides match from outside to inside, the inside of mine is unnaturally dark, looks like its been dyed. Mine weighs in at1580 grams. It has a truss rod that is not accessible without drilling a hole in the harmonic bar. How about yours?
Mine is laminated. It is indian rosewood inside and outside, but the grains do not match. How can you tell if yours has a truss rod? I can't see any indication of one. Is your headstock also a Ramirez copy?
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by SteveL123 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:30 pm

A magnet sticks along the entire length of the middle of the neck. I'd say that a pretty good indication there's a piece of steel in there. What else but a truss rod? If I look with a mirror, I can see a hole drilled at the heel block where the truss rod would end, but I can't see the Allen head adjusting bolt head because it is recessed into the hole too far and I can't get a good angle with the mirror to look straight in because the harmonic bar is in the way.

Yes, head is a Ramirez copy. I had to look that up since I did not know what a Ramirez head looks like.

Mine is loud with amazing sustain, very easy to play even though it is a 660.

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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:41 pm

Is 660 standard with these? I've never noticed any difference in playing the Takamine and my other 650 guitar. Mine's a 1983. Takemine doesn't mention scale length on the page I've found; they do mention a truss rod. But this seems to be for more modern versions; no mention of earlier iterations.

edit: and then just looking around on the net I've seen references to both 650 and 660 Takemines from various decades.
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:12 am

SteveL123. No. I wasn't sure so I gave your idea a try. I feel like an idiot. It's bone. ... I also think the bridge is wood (rosewood) not plastic. I can see what looks like wood texture if I look carefully.

The decorative piece shown in the photo is plastic. I could smell it when I touched it with the hot pin.

Thanks for the tip. :bravo:
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:01 am

Interesting your tie block decorative piece is plastic. I think mine is bone. I'll have to give it the hot pin test to find out.

Your saddle looks very low. Maybe that's due to the angle the photo was taken.

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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:17 pm

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Interesting your tie block decorative piece is plastic. I think mine is bone. I'll have to give it the hot pin test to find out.

Your saddle looks very low. Maybe that's due to the angle the photo was taken.
The saddle height, measured to the surface of the top, is ~11 mm. I believe this is considered "marginally" acceptable? I lowered the action a bit... I am concerned a little about the string angle (see pic), so I may replace the saddle (redo the action adjust ).
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by souldier » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:47 pm

Tom Wimsatt wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:17 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:01 am
Interesting your tie block decorative piece is plastic. I think mine is bone. I'll have to give it the hot pin test to find out.

Your saddle looks very low. Maybe that's due to the angle the photo was taken.
The saddle height, measured to the surface of the top, is ~11 mm. I believe this is considered "marginally" acceptable? I lowered the action a bit... I am concerned a little about the string angle (see pic), so I may replace the saddle (redo the action adjust ).
Your saddle height and break angle is perfectly fine. If you're comfortable with the action and you aren't getting excessive buzz, I wouldn't touch it.

Your c132 looks like the newer version. The old versions had a tie block decoration that matched the rosette and back center strip.
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:01 pm

Plays fine. Guess I'll leave well enough alone.
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:16 pm

Tom Wimsatt wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:17 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:01 am
Interesting your tie block decorative piece is plastic. I think mine is bone. I'll have to give it the hot pin test to find out.

Your saddle looks very low. Maybe that's due to the angle the photo was taken.
The saddle height, measured to the surface of the top, is ~11 mm. I believe this is considered "marginally" acceptable? I lowered the action a bit... I am concerned a little about the string angle (see pic), so I may replace the saddle (redo the action adjust ).
Your saddle (height from bridge) looks ok from this angle. When I said it looked low earlier, it was in respect to the how much it protrudes from the bridge, not the top. The string break angle looks ok too. If it plays well, leave it alone.

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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Tavi Jinariu » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:39 am

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This is actually the exact guitar I now own. I bought it directly from Tavi.

Tom Wimsatt, if you look at the guitar in this video, you'll notice the Ramirez headstock copy that I was referring to.
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Listening to this guitar, makes me miss it. I think these old Takamine guitars are the secret gems of classical instruments. Some of them are spectacular. I hope you are enjoying the instrument!
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:33 pm

"Your c132 looks like the newer version. The old versions had a tie block decoration that matched the rosette and back center strip."

My Takemine is from 1983. The tie block looks something like the one pictured, except mine has black and white strips around a deeper colored 'wood' center. But no ornamentation to match the rosette.
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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by Leo » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:45 pm

Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:41 pm
Is 660 standard with these? I've never noticed any difference in playing the Takamine and my other 650 guitar. Mine's a 1983. Takemine doesn't mention scale length on the page I've found; they do mention a truss rod. But this seems to be for more modern versions; no mention of earlier iterations.

edit: and then just looking around on the net I've seen references to both 650 and 660 Takemines from various decades.
Mine was made in 1985 and is a 650, yours is probably a 650. One way to tell is to match up the fretboards to your known 650 and see if they match in length. I have another guitar that is a 654, and when I match the length to my 650, it is easy to tell the difference.

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Re: Takamine C132S plug

Post by eno » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:49 pm

Another Takamine lover here. I played C128 for many years and loved it. Then upgraded to quite a few other guitars including 1976 C136S (bought it for $650, that was a bargain). Although Bernabe is my primary guitar I would still rate the C136S to be the second after Bernabe. It has beautiful and strong sound, excellent playability and workmanship, beautiful BRW patterns (see here). I also refinished it with shellac and it noticeably improved the sound.
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