Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

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Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Fretful » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:08 pm

Someone played Asturias on one of my guitars a couple of nights ago. Fired up by the music's Spanish flavour, and loosend up by adequate doses of Spanish Rioja, on reaching bar 25, the guitarist became a little more forceful than was necessary and created deep scratches in the soundboard (see below). I am reluctant to have the whole top revarnished for fear of affecting the sound of a particularly good instrument.
Any suggestions regarding a possible home-made remedy ?
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by beanctr » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:23 pm

What type of finish is on the top? R
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Fretful » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:56 pm

beanctr wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:23 pm
What type of finish is on the top? R
French polish.

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by georgemarousi » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:03 pm

optios are:
1. Let these along with the other character scratches exist
2. let a luthier re-touch the top with french polish

In any case, 3. put on a kling-on protector that keeps these high risk areas protected form fingernails ( personally I already have that on all my expensive guitars )

Finally, have a cheap guitar to give to others to play :)
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Fretful » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:22 pm

georgemarousi wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:03 pm
Finally, have a cheap guitar to give to others to play :)
You wouldn't say that if you knew who the guitarist was, but I won't name-drop. Also, at such gatherings, guitars come out and people say Is that a "so and so guitar ? Can I try it ?" It's almost impossible to say No, you can't!
But I take your point(s) ; many thanks.

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Michael Lazar » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:24 pm

An experienced Luthier can make these virtually disappear. I've done dozens of these. Doing it yourself is possible also but will take research, patience and care.

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Mark Clifton-Gaultier » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:52 pm

Surely the person responsible should be stumping up to have a professional deal with the damage?

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Michael.N. » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:05 pm

Must have some claws to inflict that amount of marks on one single rendition of Asturias. . . . or perhaps it was the Rioja.
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Manuel Najera » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:48 pm

Fretful wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:22 pm
georgemarousi wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:03 pm
Finally, have a cheap guitar to give to others to play :)
You wouldn't say that if you knew who the guitarist was, but I won't name-drop. Also, at such gatherings, guitars come out and people say Is that a "so and so guitar ? Can I try it ?" It's almost impossible to say No, you can't!
But I take your point(s) ; many thanks.
I am guessing that is a big name player or teacher, so I agree with you and would've done the same thing. However, that does not speak well of a professional that asks for a high end guitar to try, and carelessly play "rasgueos" on it. I made guitars, and sometimes I have professional players playing them to have a feedback on how they sound and feel, and most of them take great care while playing. One of them even loosens his shirt buttons to get them out of the way and avoid leaving marks on the back of the guitar, I greatly appreciate that!
Some people argue that if your guitar doesn´t look like if it was attacked by a bear, it has not been played enough or properly. I am one of those who think that is not entirely true. IMO.

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:49 pm

I don't care who the player was, I'd be ****** Off!

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by Pede » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:40 pm

An experienced player should easily avoid making such scratches, even when playing like you decribed.
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by souldier » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:22 pm

I'm not the type that feels an instrument should be kept in mint condition but I'd also feel quite disrespected if someone handled my guitar that way, regardless of who they are. If this happened to me I'd personally just live with it and see it as signs of use.

If it really bothers and you want to get rid of it, I don't see any other way than to redo the finish of that area. I doubt you'd have to do a complete refinishing. If it goes into the wood, then a light sanding might be needed on the wood itself before applying French polish.
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by soltirefa » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:30 pm

I always notice the big name players in Guitar Salon International videos taking care not to mar the guitars they're playing.

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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by souldier » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:32 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:30 pm
I always notice the big name players in Guitar Salon International videos taking care not to mar the guitars they're playing.
Because they know they'll be spending a couple thousand if they do :D
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Re: Deep Scratches below the surface of Asturias

Post by souldier » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:32 pm

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