Pine for top of guitar?

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Pine for top of guitar?

Post by glassynails » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:22 pm

I was reading through an old "Classical Guitar Magazine" online and noticed an ad for a guitar with a "solid pine top". I never thought or have heard of a top made out of pine. Sounds interesting.
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Chris Sobel » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:10 am

It worked for Torres on a couple guitars. I'm sure the right piece could sound great.
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Michael.N. » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:11 am

Hey! The very first guitar I made had a pine top, salvaged from an old door. Unfortunately (perhaps fortunately) it went on a bonfire a few years later. One day I might try and recreate that guitar, if only for the sake of nostalgia.
The 'solid pine top' you mention may well have been spruce. Sometimes people interchange the terms. Then again it may well have been a pine top.
Bouchet's very first guitar had a pine soundboard. It does seem to sound a little different but not in a bad way. I quite like the sound of it.
Visually the soundboard certainly has the look of pine, wide grain. What we would call a grade C soundboard. Tonewood dealers stop at grade B.

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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Guitar-ded » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:13 am

In some places the words 'pine' and 'spruce' seem to be taken as the same thing.

Didn't those guitars sold by good old Sherry-Brenner, the Garcias and Barberos and Hernandezeses : ) have labels saying they were pine tops.
I could have the names not quite right but folks here will know the ones I mean.
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Philosopherguy » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:32 am

Old Japanese guitar makers and ads sometimes quoted guitars as being with a "pine" top, but it was a more of a translation issue and the top was spruce.
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by khayes » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:17 am

Guitar-ded wrote:In some places the words 'pine' and 'spruce' seem to be taken as the same thing.

Didn't those guitars sold by good old Sherry-Brenner, the Garcias and Barberos and Hernandezeses : ) have labels saying they were pine tops.
I could have the names not quite right but folks here will know the ones I mean.
I think my first Sherry-Brenner Garcia label said "Old growth plywood" :D
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by DennisK » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:56 am

What kind of pine are we talking about? There are a lot, covering a wide range of densities. Looking through stats on wood-database.com, eastern white, western white, and sugar pine look the best to me.

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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Michael.N. » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:16 am

I think that the pine I used was Scots pine but of course I had no way to identify it with any certainty. It was old wood, probably 100 years old.
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by simonm » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:31 am

Michael.N. wrote:...
The 'solid pine top' you mention may well have been spruce. Sometimes people interchange the terms. ...
Almost certainly. The Spanish for spruce is "pino abeto" and the Spanish for pine is simply "pino". Easy confusion.

In many ways it doesn't matter anyway. Check out some of Alan Carruths (+others) posts about the properties of softwoods that can be used for guitar tops. In a broad sense they all have very similar characteristics. It should be perfectly possible to make a great guitar out of any one of them. For example, a recent thread somewhere was looking at the properties of larch and came to the conclusion that it is perfectly OK for tops.

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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by printer2 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:13 pm

Home Depot 'pine' top, and sides and back.

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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Michael.N. » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:41 pm

Amazing. Home Depot sell master grade pine. You'll really struggle to find pine of that quality in the UK equivalent. The best I've come across is hemlock that was well quartered and reasonably fine grained. Fine grain being around 10 grains per inch! Hemlock might be another candidate, similar density to pine.
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by pogmoor » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:40 pm

khayes wrote:I think my first Sherry-Brenner Garcia label said "Old growth plywood"
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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Brian McCombs » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:07 pm

Quality pine is hard to come by around here too, it must be the location. Most of the stuff they sell on the higher grade racks at Home Depot or Lowes in my neighborhood is good by pine standards but its not all that great, they must sell the higher grades off to someplace else.

I like the looks of yellow pine if you can get good clean examples of it. It develops a very nice golden brown patina once it ages.

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Re: Pine for top of guitar?

Post by Keith » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:10 pm

As I recall was not Alice Artzt's alleged Torres built with a larch top?
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