Sakazo Nakade and signature

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by bullpuppy » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:39 pm

I just purchased my first rokutaru nakade. It is a 1972 A70. From other posts I am assuming that the 70 means it was priced at 70000 yen in 1972 which 10000 yen less than kohno lowest model 8 of that year. I have a sakazo nakade 1200y from 1970 which is my current favorite guitar. I am not sure what was the top model for him in 1972 or did he signed or just stamped his models.

I am wondering if anyone else own examples from both brothers and how would you characterizes their sound. My Sakazo 1200Y is constructed like a ramirez 1a but the sound has elements of a cross between a Kohno and ramirez. Very high volume and very rich,lively, even, clarity.

Has anyone had a higher model than A70 from 1972?
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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by dandan » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:09 pm

Very nice! I saw that and wondered who might pick it up. My Sakazo Nakade is a great all-rounder, it has a slight nasal quality, similar to how I have heard the Fleta sound described. It has warmth, but is also clear and sweet when required. It has 7-strut fan bracing, so quite different from your 1200y, yours is a higher model. My Rokutaro has 5 fan braces, I think it would be considered Bouchet-style. It is slightly smaller bodied, with 50mm nut and a slim neck profile that I love. To my ear, there is also something special about the sound. The Sakazo is similar to the sound in my head, whereas the Rokutaro has an extra something difficult to define. I love them both, but if I had to choose one it would be the Rokutaro.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by bullpuppy » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:34 pm

I'm looking forward to its arrival. The numbering system is quite confusing. The a9 you have probably was 90000 yen in 1969 so I am assumming the 1972 a70 reflected a change in the model number system and is a lower model. If he was like kohno then the price was more related to materials than sound quality. What is the scaLe of your a9? My sakazo 1200y is 668 mm but it plays easily.

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by dandan » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:45 pm

I think you're probably right about the numbering system. Both of mine are 650. I have small hands so can't handle any bigger. I think only the Ramirez models were made with longer scale length. Sakazo spent some time working in the Ramirez workshop, so his Ramirez, models are remarkably similar to a 1a.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by eno » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:20 pm

bullpuppy wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:39 pm
I just purchased my first rokutaru nakade. It is a 1972 A70. From other posts I am assuming that the 70 means it was priced at 70000 yen in 1972 which 10000 yen less than kohno lowest model 8 of that year. I have a sakazo nakade 1200y from 1970 which is my current favorite guitar. I am not sure what was the top model for him in 1972 or did he signed or just stamped his models.

I am wondering if anyone else own examples from both brothers and how would you characterizes their sound. My Sakazo 1200Y is constructed like a ramirez 1a but the sound has elements of a cross between a Kohno and ramirez. Very high volume and very rich,lively, even, clarity.

Has anyone had a higher model than A70 from 1972?
Oh, it was you who got it from there? Congrads! I was also looking at this one but I got the previous 1967 so decided to pass on this one. But good that I didn't bid, otherwice we would compete and raise the price. Mine just arrived yesterday.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by eno » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:16 am

dandan wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:09 pm
Very nice! I saw that and wondered who might pick it up. My Sakazo Nakade is a great all-rounder, it has a slight nasal quality, similar to how I have heard the Fleta sound described. It has warmth, but is also clear and sweet when required. It has 7-strut fan bracing, so quite different from your 1200y, yours is a higher model. My Rokutaro has 5 fan braces, I think it would be considered Bouchet-style. It is slightly smaller bodied, with 50mm nut and a slim neck profile that I love. To my ear, there is also something special about the sound. The Sakazo is similar to the sound in my head, whereas the Rokutaro has an extra something difficult to define. I love them both, but if I had to choose one it would be the Rokutaro.
My Rokutaro is 5 braces as well. It's interesting that Sakaze's guitars seem to be higher valued in Japan and usually sell for higher prices. Have you tried other Rokutaro's guitars? I'm wondering if they all have that special sound or it's just your guitar that happens to be so special.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by Aaron Powell » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:14 am

Hi eno, congratulations on the new Rokutaro. Is your bracing the same as mine in this post: viewtopic.php?f=107&t=94158&start=45#p1208641

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by eno » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:42 am

Yes, mine has the same bracing, they were made close in time (yours 1966, mine 1967).
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by eno » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:30 pm

Here is a sound clip with Sakazo Nakade guitar. The sound is really beautiful

Youtube
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Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by TheEvan » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:52 pm

Exceptional tremolo!
Sounds great.

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by bullpuppy » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:19 pm

I received my first Rokutaro a70 from 1972, the year Rokutaro passed away. Great guitar and mint condition. The sound is concert class in all aspects. It has 7 fan braces with a cross brace above the bridge. It's quite a bit different in character than my sakazo 1971 1200y. Rolutaro is very refined and clear where the 1200y has more rich overtones. Both are fantastic and really are way ahead in class than most much more expensive guitars. I may sell it because the nut is 50mm and I need the extra width.

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by eno » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:08 am

I saw Rokutaro 1974 guitar so I think he passed later than 1972.

How much string spacig at the nut do you need? You can still redo the nut and make 42.5-43 mm with 50 mm nut.

My Rokutaru is under restoration and Sakazo is on the way.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by bullpuppy » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:12 pm

It's too bad he passed so early. He definitely was a top luthier.. I could make a change in the spacing at the nut but the e strings would be closer to the edge and my technique is not as perfect as it should be. I had a guitar with a 50mm nut with wide spacing and stretches in the first position on the 6th string were giving me some problems. Doing a course of pumping nylon would help me somewhat. I think I will leave it the way it is and sell it to a player looking for a 50mm nut. I put on a set of augestine blues and the sound is really excellent.

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Re: Sakazo Nakade and signature

Post by waikuentsui » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:44 pm

dandan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:50 pm
I have recently figured out Sakazo Nakade's numbering system. In the early 60s he used a system of B1, B2, B3, etc. I've no idea what the B stood for. His brother Rokutaro used a similar system with A as a prefix. I've seen A3, A5, A7, A9 and A12. In each of the systems the number relates to the price in yen, eg. A5 was 50,000¥. While Rokutaro kept his system until his untimely death in 1972, Sakazo changed his system in the late 60s. Initially he just used letters, eg. A, B, C, D, E. About 1969 he started to use numbers as well, again to reflect the price of each model, like so:
400 C
500 D
600 E
800 SF (not sure what the S is for)
1000 G
I've also seen 1200 S and 1500 S, which don't fit into this system, so I can only guess the S stands for special, maybe special order or special edition, I'm not sure. I do know the models up to 600 E were Indian rosewood 800 SF and above were Brazilian. He used this system from 1969 until at least 1974, when I guess he put his prices up. I'm not sure about the late 70s, but in the 80s he used only numbers, 2000, 3000, 5000 and 8000, each again reflecting the price of each model.
I might be the only one who finds any of this interesting, but thought I'd share anyway!
Good Work. dandan
And thank you for the information.

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