Yamaha GC (Grand Concert) Fan Club -Delcamp

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Post by HNLim » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:33 pm

630mm wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:18 pm
Hi there, another Yamaha GC owner and fan here!

Country/City: Arizona, USA
Model: GC6D
Date of production: 1972
Date of aquisition: 2015
Price of aquisition:
Top: Solid Ezo Spruce
Back: Solid EIR
Sides: Solid EIR
Neck: Mahagony
Fingerboard: Ebony
Construction: Spanish heel - Granada style
Scale Length: 662mm
Luthier Signature : Kato
Strings: Hannabach 800 SLT

It's a very nice sounding and versatile guitar. I enjoy playing mainly modern and baroque music on it and I'm slowly getting used to the longer scale. I mainly play at 630mm. It is not the loudest guitar, but it has a wide range of usable tone color and dynamics.
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Post by HNLim » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:35 pm

Currently there are 3 GC30A being offered on and off. Two are from Japan. There is also a GC60 with Honduran rosewood.

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Post by Kalidor » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:30 am

Just wondering if anyone can shed some light as to how the pre 70s to 1974 CG 3 / 5 / 7 / 10, compares to the flagship GC 30 series starting from 1974 to the 80s in terms of workmanship and sound?

Asking this because as I understand it, the GC started in 1967. So does that mean the earlier ones, especially the ones in 1967 were all still in experimental, beta phase so to speak? And that the quality and sound of the series only peaked from 1974 onwards with the GC 30?

Or were the pre 70s ones better?

How big of a step up was the GC 30 compared to the 3 / 5 / 7 / 10? Or was it a step up at all?

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Post by rinneby » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:17 am

Kalidor wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:30 am
Just wondering if anyone can shed some light as to how the pre 70s to 1974 CG 3 / 5 / 7 / 10, compares to the flagship GC 30 series starting from 1974 to the 80s in terms of workmanship and sound?

Asking this because as I understand it, the GC started in 1967. So does that mean the earlier ones, especially the ones in 1967 were all still in experimental, beta phase so to speak? And that the quality and sound of the series only peaked from 1974 onwards with the GC 30?

Or were the pre 70s ones better?

How big of a step up was the GC 30 compared to the 3 / 5 / 7 / 10? Or was it a step up at all?
The GC-series pre 70s are excellent guitars and very high class, but not "better" than GC30A (I guess that was the model you where referring too) - The GC30A was Yamaha's flagship, both in terms of craftmanship and decorations. With this said... A pre 70s GC could very well sound better than a GC30A, but also worse, depending on guitar and what you like. With this said I would rather have a GC30A in my hands/collection, as its a very nice looking guitar with a great re-sell value.

And no, they where not "experimental" guitars, but made by very skilled luthiers.

All the best from Sweden
/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1987 - Curt Claus Voigt
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by HNLim » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:00 am

Pre-1978 the top GC model was the GC20. From 1978 to 1984 the top model was the GC30A. From 1984 to 2014 the top models wete the GC70 & GC71 sometimes refferrd to as the custom model with input from maestro Segovia. From 2014 the GC82C which looks like the GC70 and GC82S which looks like the GC71 are now the top model. GC70 is still available but only in Japan. GC20, 30A, GC70 & GC71 uses brazilian rosewood for the back, sides and bridge.

My personal preference is the GC30A rather than the GC82. I have personally not played on a GC70 but I would like to one day make a trip to Japan to order a GC70 and hand carry it back to Singapore. Wishful thinking I guessed!

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Post by Kalidor » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:36 am

I read that the 30A, B & C use different wood and are constructed differently.

Why is the A considered the top of the line and not the rest?

Are the rest worth looking out for or only the 30A?

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Post by lawcch » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:45 am

last 2 weeks ago, I bought a Yamaha GC7 M model from a Japan seller on reverb.com.
The condition of the guitar was excellent and brand new look which came with a leather hard case.
I have not play this guitar yet because I had polished and decorated the finger board with decal stickers. It is very cool look guitar.
Not sure anyone owned this Yamaha GC 7M guitar would like to share their experience on playing this gem vintage guitar?
I will post the photos and a sound clip in a few week time.

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Post by lawcch » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:16 am

hi everyone
What are wood specification for Yamaha GC 30A, 30 B and 30C?
I consider buying a used GC 30C model from a Japan dealer.

Second hand goods of YAMAHA GC - 30C model
This machine uses the Indian rosewood in Cedar top, solid Indian Rosewood for side and back, ebony on fingerboard and rosewood frame.
Soft sweet sound is unique in Cedar!
It is a model with a big volume, good treble and good accurate intonation.
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Post by lawcch » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:29 am

HNLim wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:35 pm
Currently there are 3 GC30A being offered on and off. Two are from Japan. There is also a GC60 with Honduran rosewood.
how much is the market value for Yamaha GC30A, 30B and 30 C if the condition is excellent ? I consider buying at GC 30 C for JPY 85,000 (about US$700) but the condition of th paint finishing is milky cloudy state which need refurnishing
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Post by HNLim » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:42 am

The GC30A is a very different guitar from the 30C. At US $700/- is ok but the refurbishing is very tedious. If it had been a GC30A, I would grab it and do the refurbishing but not the GC30C.

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Post by lawcch » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:58 am

Here are the photos of my Vintage Yamaha GC 7M model made in 1977 by Hirada I took during I cleaned the finger board. polishing frets with steel fine wool and body polishing with Dunlop guitar polisher. I also decorated the finger board with a fancy decal sticker.
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Post by rinneby » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:09 am

lawcch wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:29 am
HNLim wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:35 pm
Currently there are 3 GC30A being offered on and off. Two are from Japan. There is also a GC60 with Honduran rosewood.
how much is the market value for Yamaha GC30A, 30B and 30 C if the condition is excellent ? I consider buying at GC 30 C for JPY 85,000 (about US$700) but the condition of th paint finishing is milky cloudy state which need refurnishing
A and B are much higher value than C, its another guitar. Look at the headstock of the GC30A for example. The difference between A and B is that B is cedar while A is spruce.

/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1987 - Curt Claus Voigt
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

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Post by lawcch » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:55 am

Hi everyone
Yes, I found a vintage Yamaha GC30B model but was sold for JPY 250,000 or about US $2,300. The appearance of the sound board looked like Spruce top.
The brief description read as follow:
Yamaha GC - 30B (Ezaki Hideyuki) Matsu / Hakaranda It is second hand goods in 1882.
It is thought that the surface board is shellac painting and the side back is lacquer painting.
The neck is a mahogany Spanish style single rod.
It is a bit shorter with a chord length of 656 mm, looking at the back plate etc., it is exactly the Aguado model.
The thread winding has been changed to GOTO 's 40G - 1600.
It is with a hard case.
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Post by lawcch » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:22 am

Another good vintage Yamaha GC 15 D model from reverb.com or e - b a y.com with one big piece of Back and side Brazilian Rosewood , with cedar top.
Made in 1971. Price Tag: USD $ 1,999 plus international shipping plus import tax / duties for buyer to pay.
Anyone who think this Yamaha GC 15 D guitar in mint condition worth buying? Please share your view about this guitar purchase.
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Post by lawcch » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:50 am

Another discovery I made that all Japanese musical instruments dealers do not favour to sell their guitars or musical instruments with Indian Rosewood or Brazilian Rosewood. This is due to CITES implementation with effect 2 Jan 2017 where musical instrument dealers or rosewood furniture dealers need to acquire permit to export Japan to other countries and according to the dealers in Japan which may take a long time and money to get the export permit to sell the guitars with rosewood to overseas buyers.
Another assumption I can think of is to get rid of the rosewood export permit (from seller) is to sell and export the guitar under personal seller name and not under musical instruments dealer name. Or the buyer has to go to Japan to buy directly from the guitars store

One Japanese seller did this way to sell me the vintage Yamaha GC7 M last 2 weeks.
Anyone is having the similiar problem, please share your stories here. Maybe I need to create another thread or title to invite members to contribute their ideas and methods getting a Japanese guitars from Japan.

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