The 1912 is undoubtedly much nearer to a Torres than it is to any 60's/70's Ramirez. If you look at the dimensions of certain Manuel Ramirez guitars (body length, body depth, bout widths) they can be remarkably similar to a Torres.Philosopherguy wrote:The Manuel Ramirez is based on Segovia's 1912 Ramirez that is in the Metropolitan Museum. I have heard that the Antigua is based on early 20th century guitars too, so likely it is closer to the design of the Manuel Ramirez then the more modern 1A.Grooveman JS wrote:While we're on this, I'd like to ask if anyone here who are owners or has any experience with a historical model that they make in the Ramirez shop: Manuel Ramirez 1912. I know that all the other models in the handcrafted or what they call the professional series guitars (Vino Traditional, Auditorio, Antigua, Centanario) are all based on the 1A as the main template with variations here & there. Does anybody know if the Manual Ramirez model is also based on the same construction. What about tone, does it sound very much like the other Ramirezs, what's playability like?
I have heard a few people who have tried them say that the Ramirez 1912 Manuel is one of the best guitars they have ever played. I haven't tried one. I can imagine they are quite nice. HOWEVER, they are ridiculously priced.
If you go to the Ramirez tube channel you can hear some samples of most of the Ramirez lineup. The Antigua certainly sounds beautiful on there. But, I don't know anyone who has played one personally.
I am interested to hear if anyone else has any comments of personal experiences with some of these guitars!
Sure, Grooveman.Grooveman JS wrote:Ya..... Can some of you who are familiar with these instruments & objective; elaborate & educate me on spotting the differences between the gems & the average (or what some in the other discussion threads would call lemons/duds) & which guitars are you referring to with respect to this point(is this particular to guitars of a certain era or this applies to modern Ramirezs across the board as well).........celestemcc wrote:This video might show you some of the differences, a '63 spruce 1a vs a '72cedar 1a. The difference is subtle and some pieces sound better on the spruce than the cedar and vice-versa. But it is, to my ear, distinct. Love to hear others' thoughts on this one!there are real gems & there're average ones
Hi Xeperxi - just sent you a private message.Xeperxi wrote:I own a 1965 Jose Ramirez 1a and it is by far my favorite playing and sounding guitar, out of any guitars I have owned or played. I can see for some it may be more uncomfortable to play, but for me it fits like a glove and is a pure joy to play. Just wish I had more money to buy more lol
This!.... This thread inspired me to take out my '78 1a a few days ago, and I played pieces that I'd learned on the Ramirez and ones I'd learned on the newer, short scale Connor.But I soon found out that that sound was all made by serious effort.
I find that changing guitars for the practice routine is always good.... to keep things fresh that is (different tones, feel & looks) & of course to ensure that I'm proficient on various instruments that i have.....I do that for both my Classical as well as the Contemporary music routine.celestemcc wrote:To my surprise the Ramirez was easy on the left hand, or should I say, easier than it used to be, for all the pieces. I'm convinced my technique has improved from playing the shorter-scale guitar for 18 months. But after about a half-hour or so of playing the Ramirez, I found my whole body was tense from the effort of playing it, and that started affecting my playing.But I soon found out that that sound was all made by serious effort.
Some of the things I played, particularly those with a Spanish aesthetic, are still glorious on the Ramirez. And I do love the wide string spacing for the right hand. But like the poster quoted above said, you have to find your fit. Again, I do admire the folks who can handle one!
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