We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by es335 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:35 pm

The wide slots at the headstock remind me a lot of what was marketed as Torres models in the Markneukirchen area up to the 50's or even later.

Below is an example from a 1956 Torres model from the Wilhelm Herwig workshop which was in contact with Richard Weissgerber, the most promiment luthier of this area ... beside C.F. Martin of course. :wink:

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In addition the narrow neck (50 mm was their quasi standard), long headstock with individual tuners and the type of neck reinforcement with two maple stripes point in the same direction!? Who knows? :)
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:14 pm

es335 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:35 pm
The wide slots at the headstock remind me a lot of what was marketed as Torres models in the Markneukirchen area up to the 50's or even later.

Below is an example from a 1956 Torres model from the Wilhelm Herwig workshop which was in contact with Richard Weissgerber, the most promiment luthier of this area ... beside C.F. Martin of course. :wink:

ImageKopf (vorne) Kopie.jpg

In addition the narrow neck (50 mm was their quasi standard), long headstock with individual tuners and the type of neck reinforcement with two maple stripes point in the same direction!? Who knows? :)
There are absolutely similarities! It's a Torres model for sure. My Taizo Minezawa doesn't have any visible neck reinforcement though.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by es335 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:51 pm

rinneby wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:14 pm
... My Taizo Minezawa doesn't have any visible neck reinforcement though. ...
Shame on me, I misinterpreted the front inlay of the headstock! :oops: :wink:

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Post by rinneby » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:03 pm

es335 wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:51 pm
rinneby wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:14 pm
... My Taizo Minezawa doesn't have any visible neck reinforcement though. ...
Shame on me, I misinterpreted the front inlay of the headstock! :oops: :wink:
Aha, no shame on you at all :)

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:12 pm

Today I recorded the Taizo Minezawa with a Peluso 2247 SE microphone in a well treated room, no effects or eq. The guitar has a very special sound. First some open strings, then a few short pieces starting at 0:38:

http://jon.rinneby.se/musik/taizo_sound_test.mp3

All the best from Sweden

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by henders » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:50 am

Great sounding guitar and very nice playing.

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Post by rinneby » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:01 am

henders wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:50 am
Great sounding guitar and very nice playing.
Thank you very much. I think this guitar has a nice soft midrange to it, but also some clearly when you dig in. It's not a big sounding guitar by any means, but it never sounds "plastic" that many guitars have a tendency to do, even more expensive ones. An earthy sound so to speak. However, The 48 mm neck width is a little too narrow for me though, so I think this guitar could be in better hands.

Or what do you say Dandan? :guitare:

/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:13 am

rinneby wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:01 am
henders wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:50 am
Great sounding guitar and very nice playing.
Thank you very much. I think this guitar has a nice soft midrange to it, but also some clearly when you dig in. It's not a big sounding guitar by any means, but it never sounds "plastic" that many guitars have a tendency to do, even more expensive ones. An earthy sound so to speak. However, The 48 mm neck width is a little too narrow for me though, so I think this guitar could be in better hands.

Or what do you say Dandan? :guitare:

/Jon
I don't know about better hands, but smaller definitely!
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by henders » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:52 am

eno wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:32 pm
rinneby wrote:This is my latest find. A Ryoji Matsuoka No.60 S with high quality solid spruce top and back and sides of CSA Rosewood. I've changed the tuners to Der-Jung and also made a new bone saddle. It's very easy on the hands with action just below 4/3mm, scale length 654mm and 52mm nut. The sound is pleasant: Warm, yet clear and responsive, just the way I like it. I'm not sure of year, but my guess is 1973-1975. Overall condition is great for a 40 year old.
All the best from Sweden
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Usually Matsuoka's guitars have a serial number written on the neck end inside the body, first two digits is the year.

I'm a Takamine afficionado. I bought Takamine spruce C128 20 years ago and I loved it and played it for all these years. I tried many multi-K$ dollar guitars and just couldn't find any better sounding ones compared to my C128. I tried a few Kohnos and Matsuokas and at one time I even played on Hauser II and Bouchet and bunch of other high-grade guitars. I would not say that my C128 is better than Hauser or Bouchet but it stil has some mystical timbre and quality of sound that I coudn not find in any other guitar. Even higher grade Takamines didn't sound that way. C128 is a cheap student grade guitar, it's really a mystery. Recently I got Bernabe that has very special and unique timbre and sounds richer and more powerfull than C128 but I still love the sound of my C128 and play it quite often.

Honestly I was not impressed with Matsuoka and Kohno that I tried, they are definitely good sounding guitars but their sound just did not resonate with me. And I tried a plethora of Yamahas including the GC and never liked the sound. I'm very picky I guess :D

How is your 136 stacking up to your 128?

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:39 am

henders wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:52 am
How is your 136 stacking up to your 128?
Well, it's different and 136 definitely has stronger, fuller, darker (being cedar) , deeper and more nobel and natural sound overall. 128 is brighter but weaker and sounds a bit plastic but again it has that mysterious "poetic" blend in its timbre, although it's pretty weak. I know, I'm a sound freak, but I value most of all the timbral qualities in guitars, everything else is less important for me.

I suspect that this "special" sound of 128 may be simply coming from the strings. I can hear the original sound of nylon strings when I play my silent guitar, the sound is plastic but yet beautiful. I think 128, being an all-laminate guitar, simply transmits and amplifies this sound of the strings without adding much of its own character or distorting it. For comparison, Bernabe is the opposite, it adds so much if its own character (beautiful in its own way) that I no longer hear the original plastic sound of the strings but the beauty of that sound is also gone.
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Mitsuru Tamura No.800 1969 cedar
Rokutaru Nakade 1967 spruce
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967 spruce
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:39 am

I have plans, big plans, maybe too big plans...

Anyway, I'm thinking of writing an e-book (webpage) with information about all Japanese luthiers, past and current. On a second thought this project might be a little too ambitious, and a more realistic approach would be to at least start with the historically important ones. Who did I miss and who should I start with?

Akihiko Yamasyita
Alberto Nejime Ohno
Daisuke Kuriyama
Hakusui Imai
Hideo Ida
Hiroaki Honma
Hirohiko Hirose
Hiroshi Komori
Hiroshi Tamura
Hiroumi Yamaguchi
Jun Nakano
Jun Ohnishi
Kaoru Ono
Kawada Ikkoh
Kazuo Hashimoto
Kazuo Sato
Kazuo Toshi (Kazuo Ichiyanagi)
Kazuo Yairi
Kuniharu Nobe
Kiyohide Oku
Kodama Kanoh
Masafumi Nobe
Masaji Nobe
Masaki Sakurai
Masaru Kohno
Masaru Matano
Mass Hirade
Matsui Kuniyoshi
Mitsuharu Hoshi
Mitsuru Tamura
Norimitsu Tsutsumi
Osamu Nakade
Osamu Tomita
Rokutaro Nakade
Ryoji Matsuoka
Sadao Yairi
Sakae Ishii
Sakazo Nakade
Satoru Sakuma
Seizo Shinano
Shuichi Komiyama
Shunpei Nishino
Shunsuke Yokoo
Sumio Kurosawa
Taizo Minezawa
Takahide Kaneko
Taro Maruyama
Tatsuhiko Hirose
Teruaki Nakade
Tetsuo Kurosawa
Toshihiko Nakade
Tsuji Wataru
Tsunao Kubo
Yoshimitsu Hoshino
Yoshinori Morii
Youhei Nishino
Yuichi Imai
Yuichi Nagasaki
Yukihide Chai
Yukinobu Chai
Yukio Nakade
Yutaka Iwata

/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:50 am

Osamu Nakade
Yukio Nakade
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by HNLim » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:42 am

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:53 am

Thank you both, they are now added to the list.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by petermc61 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:16 pm

Long list Jon..... :shock:

Good luck!

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