We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:58 pm

rinneby wrote:
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The GAS continues... /Jon
Mine too :D I just received two more today including Kohno 1967 (from the year he won the competition!)
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Post by rinneby » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:59 pm

eno wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:58 pm
rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:00 pm
The GAS continues... /Jon
Mine too :D I just received two more today including Kohno 1967 (from the year he won the competition!)
Oh you did bid on the one from Buyee? I hope its in good condition.

/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by eno » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:02 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:59 pm
eno wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:58 pm
rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:00 pm
The GAS continues... /Jon
Mine too :D I just received two more today including Kohno 1967 (from the year he won the competition!)
Oh you did bid on the one from Buyee? I hope its in good condition.

/Jon
I has a crack and discoloration stain from the arm sweat but otherwise looks OK. But I didn't have a chance to play it yet.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Post by mikew63 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:59 am

Hello All,

At the risk of veering off topic a bit, I am seeking advice and recommendations on the most reputable guitar reseller / shop in Tokyo. I will be visiting in October and will have limited time, but may if time permits seek out a vintage Japanese CG. Any recommendations are most appreciated.

thank you
Alhambra 4P

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Post by rinneby » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:08 am

mikew63 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:59 am
Hello All,

At the risk of veering off topic a bit, I am seeking advice and recommendations on the most reputable guitar reseller / shop in Tokyo. I will be visiting in October and will have limited time, but may if time permits seek out a vintage Japanese CG. Any recommendations are most appreciated.

thank you
I haven't been there my self, but the first one that comes to mind is excellent "AURA". Then we have "Casa De La Guitarra", but also "FANA".

Lucky you! :guitare:

All the best from Sweden
/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

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Post by mikew63 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:32 am

Thank you Jon ,,, you're the man !
Alhambra 4P

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Post by dandan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:23 pm

musguitar wrote:
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Jon, I absolutely love my Kohno. 1962, that means 2-years after apprentice under Arcangel Fernandez. As one can see it still has its original machine-head tuners-- it stays in tune. And he was still using KONO before he anglicized it to KOHNO, I believe in '66?
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I've just bought an early Kono, very similar to this, same year, label, tuners etc. Think yours might be in slightly better cosmetic condition though. Won't get it for a couple of weeks. Can't wait! From what I've read the number on the label simply relates to the date the guitar was finished, so yours would have been completed on the 1st March. Mine was later in the year, 11th November I think.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Post by musguitar » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:37 pm

Thanks Dandan. We await another '62 Kono. Arcangel's Spanish influence is apparent. Congratulations.

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Post by musguitar » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:02 pm

rinneby wrote:
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Very nice guitar indeed. Looks very much like my No.600 E from 1970. Mine has a beautiful clear sound with great sustain, but I wouldn't call it particularly "warm" - It's easy to play too!

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Jone, your Nakade is absolutely stunning. The back looks like cashew finish-- same as Khono's in the 60s.

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Post by musguitar » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:07 pm

The headstock of the Nakade is very Khono too. I could have mistaken it for a "cedar" Kohno from the 60s. Masaru did influence other Japanese luthiers.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by musguitar » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:34 pm

It could be the other way around-- Nakade influencing Kono.

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Post by dandan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:02 pm

I think later Japanese luthiers were certainly more influenced by Kohno but the Nakade brothers emerged at the same time as Kohno and both underwent their own apprenticeships in Spain, similarly to Kohno. In fact, I believe the Nakade brothers were probably better known in Japan and at least as highly regarded until Kohno's prestigious award in 1967.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Post by eno » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:10 pm

Dandan, how does your Kono compare with Rokutaru? Which one do you like more?

I'm playing on my recently aquired Japanese guitars today and comparing them. They are not fully settled and opened yet but I'm hearing their voice already. I would say the best one is the Japanese-labeled 1967 Rokutaru Nakade, the sound is incredible and it has a "mystical" horizon and space/depth behind the first layer of sound. I'm not good at describing sounds. Rokutatro's sound is darker compared to my other guitars (and I like that!). It's also very playeable and forgiving (doesn't highligh imprerfections and unwanted sounds).

The Kohno 1967 is also a truly amaizing instrument with beautiful and powerful sound, BUT it doesn't resonate with me as much as Rokutaro, I do not hear that mysterious soundscape. Then Sakaze Nakado also has lovely sound with a lot of resonances, but it's sort of more simplistic compared to Rokutaro and Kohno and it's lacking that sound "horizon" and depth.

Now, if I compare it with my Bernabe I would say I still like Bernabe more, its sound also has a very mysterious and beautiful "silvery-pearly" soundscape with depth and space and it's very "nobel" and refined. Overall, all these Japanese guitars sound a little "boxy" and more simplistic compared to Bernabe. But still the Rokutaro's sound has something special and mysterious that even Bernabe and Kohno do not have. As a disclamer, of course this comparison is based on my personal musical taste only.

I also got another Rokutaro A1 model from 1962 (with label in English) and that turned out to be quite mediocre instrument, good sound overall but not anything outstanding. I guess the 1967 Roukutaro with label in Japanese was probably a custom order for some Japanese customer.

I also have Mutsuru Tamura coming, and that will likely be the end of my journey into the world of Japanese guitars (at least for now), I need to settle with what I have. Too many guitars is overwhelming.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Post by rinneby » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:32 pm

eno wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:10 pm
The Kohno 1967 is also a truly amaizing instrument with beautiful and powerful sound, BUT it doesn't resonate with me as much as Rokutaro, I do not hear that mysterious soundscape. Then Sakaze Nakado also has lovely sound with a lot of resonances, but it's sort of more simplistic compared to Rokutaro and Kohno and it's lacking that sound "horizon" and depth.
I wonder if your -67 has the same construction as my -65, because my guitar is very resonant and you feel the guitar in your whole body while you play. Its very mysterious, dark, yet clear. I agree with you on the Nakade, great guitar, but no match for the Kono.

/Jon
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2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:46 pm

eno wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:10 pm
Dandan, how does your Kono compare with Rokutaru? Which one do you like more?
I haven't received my Kono yet so unable to compare them. I post something when I receive it. The Rokutaro is my favourite currently though. It certainly has a special something which is difficult to define. The Sakazo is also a very fine guitar. I wouldn't want to part with either of them but if I could only keep one it would be the Rokutaro.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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