We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:57 am

ghitarist wrote:
Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:10 pm
My recently purchased Grand Shinano GS250 (700$ shipped), spruce top, laminated sides and back, had sent the all-solid Kremona Fiesta FC (900$) on sale without doubts. Nowadays all solid guitars sound so damn muddy compared to this vintage...
If you have the chance, try a Grand Shinano , you'll receive a harp-like brilliance and crystal clear, extended trebles for much less i've payed.. Just have the patience. e - b a y is a good place for hunting these guitars
Congratulations. A agree with you on the Shinano guitars. I have a No.83 (supposed to be one of the top-models during the 60s), and while the build quality is a little "so so", it sounds very sweet in a good way and plays easy. It's also very lightly built.

However, my guitar is in desperate need of new frets, as well as a new nut and saddle, and I'm not sure I want to spend 300 Euro on that. Time will tell.

All the best from Sweden

/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:59 am

eno wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:45 am
Aaron Powell wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:02 am
eno, thank-you for taking the time to produce this. It was interesting hearing the instruments.
Your Rokutaro's 1st and 6th string sound strikingly similar to mine, the 1967 is open and clear with a lovely voice.
My (slight) favorite is the Bernabe.
Absolutely, Bernabe is still my favorite.
But the Kohno is still waking up, I was a bit dissapointed with it last week but today it sounds amazing. I would say it's made into the extraordinary category today :D .
Give the Kohno some time, it deserves it. It took at least one week for mine to wake up. What strings are you using?

/Jon
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Post by dandan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:38 am

My Kono is just starting to wake up....
1962 Masaru Kono
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:05 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:59 am
Give the Kohno some time, it deserves it. It took at least one week for mine to wake up. What strings are you using?
/Jon
Ramirez as usual
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Yes, thank you eno. A fascinating range of sounds, timbre, idiosyncrasies, differences and similarities.
All very appealing albeit in their different ways. A great way to hear them being played so close
together and with the same music.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it.

Another new arrival, Mitsuru Tamura. It looks and sounds like cedar and I like the sound, it's not bright or colourful, but nobel, reserved and a bit dark, similar to Takamine C136.
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Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001 spruce
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by SteveL123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm

I just ordered this 1977 Takemine C132S http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Takami ... Type%5EPLA from Guitar Center It should arrive at my local store by Saturday. If I end up keeping it, I will be joining the club.

Did the C132S come in cedar or spruce in 1977. Does the C and the S in C132S have any significance? The pics looks cedar, being so dark. But the store employee I spoke to thinks it's spruce.

Anyway, I am hoping it's a good one and I end up keeping it.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:35 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm
I just ordered this 1977 Takemine C132S http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Takami ... Type%5EPLA from Guitar Center It should arrive at my local store by Saturday. If I end up keeping it, I will be joining the club.

Did the C132S come in cedar or spruce in 1977. Does the C and the S in C132S have any significance? The pics looks cedar, being so dark. But the store employee I spoke to thinks it's spruce.

Anyway, I am hoping it's a good one and I end up keeping it.
Take a look here, at least C136S are all cedar. As for C132S, I've only seen cedar so far. They are basically copies of Ramirez 1a which is cedar-based.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001 spruce
Mitsuru Tamura No.800 1969 cedar
Rokutaru Nakade 1967 spruce
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967 spruce
Takamine C136S cedar
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Post by SteveL123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:03 pm

eno wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:35 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm
I just ordered this 1977 Takemine C132S http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Takami ... Type%5EPLA from Guitar Center It should arrive at my local store by Saturday. If I end up keeping it, I will be joining the club.

Did the C132S come in cedar or spruce in 1977. Does the C and the S in C132S have any significance? The pics looks cedar, being so dark. But the store employee I spoke to thinks it's spruce.

Anyway, I am hoping it's a good one and I end up keeping it.
Take a look here, at least C136S are all cedar. As for C132S, I've only seen cedar so far. They are basically copies of Ramirez 1a which is cedar-based.
Thanks! In the pic of the Takemine ads for the 136S, 140S and 150S where it was stated these were all solid cedar topped. No mention of what the C132S came with. Was spruce more expensive than cedar back in 1977? That may be a clue what the C132S (a student model) has for a top,

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:34 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:03 pm
Was spruce more expensive than cedar back in 1977? That may be a clue what the C132S (a student model) has for a top,
I don't know but I think it's just that C13x models were based on Ramirez 1a design which is cedar-based and was very popular in 70s and 80s (and still is although to a lesser extent). C132, I beleive, is just a simplified version of C136 with no neck reinforcement and lower-grade woods.
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001 spruce
Mitsuru Tamura No.800 1969 cedar
Rokutaru Nakade 1967 spruce
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967 spruce
Takamine C136S cedar
Yamaha SLG200S silent

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:58 pm

Anyone of you lovers heard of Asturias "Concert" C15? This guitar was made in the late 70s and bought in Sweden back then. The one and only owner wants to sell it to me. I will try it on Sunday. Happy times!
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Post by andreas777 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:38 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:58 pm
Anyone of you lovers heard of Asturias "Concert" C15? This guitar was made in the late 70s and bought in Sweden back then. The one and only owner wants to sell it to me. I will try it on Sunday. Happy times!
That's an interesting model, I have not seen it until now. There are some other Cxxx models made in the 70s, any typically higher numbers mean higher prices, but this c15 seems to be a better guitar than the c30, for example. The price looks good, and if it's in good shape and the sound is as good as other Asturias (higher) models, then I'm sure you will buy it, either for yourself...or for me ;-)
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Post by rinneby » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:43 pm

andreas777 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:38 pm
rinneby wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:58 pm
Anyone of you lovers heard of Asturias "Concert" C15? This guitar was made in the late 70s and bought in Sweden back then. The one and only owner wants to sell it to me. I will try it on Sunday. Happy times!
That's an interesting model, I have not seen it until now. There are some other Cxxx models made in the 70s, any typically higher numbers mean higher prices, but this c15 seems to be a better guitar than the c30, for example. The price looks good, and if it's in good shape and the sound is as good as other Asturias (higher) models, then I'm sure you will buy it, either for yourself...or for me ;-)
Thanks for the fast replay. Yes, this is obviously not a model below the C30, as "Concert" is on the label, so my guess is this was a 150.000 Yen guitar. This would also explain the nice rosewood on the back and sides...

However, I just bought three expensive guitars: Lorenzo Frignani, Ramirez 1A and possibly a Kohno Maestro, so my budget has already reached its limit, but... how could one resist...?! :lol:

/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by SteveL123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:02 pm

eno wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:34 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:03 pm
Was spruce more expensive than cedar back in 1977? That may be a clue what the C132S (a student model) has for a top,
I don't know but I think it's just that C13x models were based on Ramirez 1a design which is cedar-based and was very popular in 70s and 80s (and still is although to a lesser extent). C132, I beleive, is just a simplified version of C136 with no neck reinforcement and lower-grade woods.
The C132S is still being made currently with a cedar top http://www.takamine.com/C132S . If the specs hasn't changed since it's introduction, then I can expect the one I bought will be cedar topped.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Francisco » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:01 pm

eno wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:15 pm
But overall, it is just striking that one can buy a vintage Japanese guitar in the under-$2-3K price range that is quite comparable with western-luthier-made guitars in the $5-10K category and by far exceed the brand-new multi-$K factory guitars sold everywhere nowadays like Cordobas, Asturias and so on, most of which are simply a disaster.
Yes. I agree with your assessment.
I wonder if there is any information available anywhere that describes the history of Japanese classical-guitar making. The only thing I know is that Yamaha sent some luthiers to Spain in the mid to late 1960 to work with Eduardo Ferrer and Manuel Hernández. But there must be so much more to this general topic. How and when did the Japanese guitar building tradition develop?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Jacek A. Rochacki » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:23 pm

Francisco wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:01 pm
...I wonder if there is any information available anywhere that describes the history of Japanese classical-guitar making...
Modest contribution to the subject is the activity of Juan Orozco
http://orozcoguitars.blogspot.com/2008/
and then scroll down, please, to
New information about Juan Orozco's
moves in Japan during the seventies
Antonio Picado, model 60, 2015, Cedar/IRW. Scale 640 mm.
Kenny Hill, model Madrid, 2002, No. 2019, Cedar/IRW. Scale 650 mm.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Francisco » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:18 pm

Jacek A. Rochacki wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:23 pm
Francisco wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:01 pm
...I wonder if there is any information available anywhere that describes the history of Japanese classical-guitar making...
Modest contribution to the subject is the activity of Juan Orozco
http://orozcoguitars.blogspot.com/2008/
and then scroll down, please, to
New information about Juan Orozco's
moves in Japan during the seventies
Thank you for this. Very interesting information.
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