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Post by dandan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:26 pm

Kohno apprenticed with Fleta and Arcangel Fernandez. Sakazo Nakade worked for Ramirez. Rokutaro apprenticed with several luthiers in the Granada region. Many other Japanese luthiers apprenticed under Spanish masters throughout the 60s and 70s.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Post by dandan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:26 pm

Double post, sorry.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
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Post by musguitar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:17 am

Dandan,

Included in the photostream is a inside drawing of 1962 Masaru Kono. Is it different from what you drew of your '62?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23522420@N06/?

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Post by musguitar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:22 am

Dandan, disregard last post -- here is a better link.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23522420@ ... 4226936443

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Post by dandan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:28 am

musguitar wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:17 am
Dandan,

Included in the photostream is a inside drawing of 1962 Masaru Kono. Is it different from what you drew of your '62?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23522420@N06/?
I've seen that before. The bracing on my guitar is similar but different. My drawing is accurate for my guitar. This leads me to believe he went through an experimental stage on returning from Spain.
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1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Post by musguitar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 am

Dandan, finally uploaded blurry pics of one offering this Nakade 500D for sale. Is it authentic? Unsigned label.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23522420@ ... 6764259396

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Post by dandan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:35 am

musguitar wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 am
Dandan, finally uploaded blurry pics of one offering this Nakade 500D for sale. Is it authentic? Unsigned label.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23522420@ ... 6764259396
Looks authentic to me, but I'd be worried there might be an issue with the neck. Saddle looks very low. Is it very common for vintage Japanese guitars to have a forward bow in the neck. Perhaps something to do with the climate.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
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Post by rinneby » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:40 am

musguitar wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 am
Dandan, finally uploaded blurry pics of one offering this Nakade 500D for sale. Is it authentic? Unsigned label.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23522420@ ... 6764259396
Hard to tell, but I would personally look for a signed model, possible with more decorations, this one looks fairly simple. I'm thinking of you as a collector.

/Jon
1950 - Jose Ramirez II
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1990 - Antonio Raya Pardo 1A
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

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Post by musguitar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:05 am

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Hard to tell, but I would personally look for a signed model, possible with more decorations, this one looks fairly simple. I'm thinking of you as a collector.

/Jon
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Not a collector Jon. I don't have the means, I just enjoy playing well made instruments. My Kono is homebound for my personal enjoyment. Someday I will sell it for some accomplished concert guitarist who can benefit much from it. For gigs I simply bring with me my Shinano SC30 and Yamaha-- no fear of being banged.

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Post by Francisco » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:15 pm

dandan wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:26 pm
Kohno apprenticed with Fleta and Arcangel Fernandez. Sakazo Nakade worked for Ramirez. Rokutaro apprenticed with several luthiers in the Granada region. Many other Japanese luthiers apprenticed under Spanish masters throughout the 60s and 70s.
I take my hat off to their guitar making abilities. And I think that guitar making is probably not the only craft where the Japanese have proven to be exceptionally gifted apprentices capable of surpassing their masters.
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Post by musguitar » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:06 am

"I take my hat off to their guitar making abilities. And I think that guitar making is probably not the only craft where the Japanese have proven to be exceptionally gifted apprentices capable of surpassing their masters."

Imitation that led to perfection. This is how M. Kohno and the Sakazo and Rokutaro Nakade brothers approached the Spanish guitar template. It is like hearing the Spanish (Fleta, Fernandez, Ramirez) in the guitars of the Japanese trinity (and at a fraction of the price). Kohno, however, clearly shifted from imitation to innovation in the 70s when he adapted lattice-braced and etc. to his guitars.

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Post by eno » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:48 pm

dandan wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:46 am
Grooveman JS wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:55 am
hope you enjoy your instrument for a long time to come! cheers! :bravo:
Thanks! I'm still in shock!
Dandan, I can see in your signature Kono placed above Rokutaru. Do you like Kono more now?
It would be really interesting to compare the sound and design of Ko(h)no models throughout the 60s period to see how the sound and bracing patterns evolved.
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Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
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Post by rinneby » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:50 pm

eno wrote:
Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:48 pm
dandan wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:46 am
Grooveman JS wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:55 am
hope you enjoy your instrument for a long time to come! cheers! :bravo:
Thanks! I'm still in shock!
Dandan, I can see in your signature Kono placed above Rokutaru. Do you like Kono more now?
It would be really interesting to compare the sound and design of Ko(h)no models throughout the 60s period to see how the sound and bracing patterns evolved.
No its the earliest :)

/Jon
1950 - Jose Ramirez II
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1990 - Antonio Raya Pardo 1A
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by SteveL123 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:38 pm

eno wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:35 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm
I just ordered this 1977 Takemine C132S http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Takami ... Type%5EPLA from Guitar Center It should arrive at my local store by Saturday. If I end up keeping it, I will be joining the club.

Did the C132S come in cedar or spruce in 1977. Does the C and the S in C132S have any significance? The pics looks cedar, being so dark. But the store employee I spoke to thinks it's spruce.

Anyway, I am hoping it's a good one and I end up keeping it.
Take a look here, at least C136S are all cedar. As for C132S, I've only seen cedar so far. They are basically copies of Ramirez 1a which is cedar-based.
I picked up the C132S. It's cedar as you said. Big surprise it's 660 not 650 scale length! It has what I think is called ladder bracing. Top resonance F#, very loud, deep base exc trebles, good sustain and no dead notes! I am impressed! I just wish the scale length is 650 though.

It has a minor ding 1/8" wide on the upper bout of the top, finger nail wear in the first 3 frets and light pick marks, otherwise it's in excellent condition. Looks like the previous owner only played chords in the first position and never cut his/her nails.

A magnet sticks to the middle of the finger board which suggest there's a truss rod but I cannot find or see any adjustment that is accessible on the inside.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:41 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:38 pm
eno wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:35 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm
I just ordered this 1977 Takemine C132S http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Takami ... Type%5EPLA from Guitar Center It should arrive at my local store by Saturday. If I end up keeping it, I will be joining the club.

Did the C132S come in cedar or spruce in 1977. Does the C and the S in C132S have any significance? The pics looks cedar, being so dark. But the store employee I spoke to thinks it's spruce.

Anyway, I am hoping it's a good one and I end up keeping it.
Take a look here, at least C136S are all cedar. As for C132S, I've only seen cedar so far. They are basically copies of Ramirez 1a which is cedar-based.
I picked up the C132S. It's cedar as you said. Big surprise it's 660 not 650 scale length! It has what I think is called ladder bracing. Top resonance F#, very loud, deep base exc trebles, good sustain and no dead notes! I am impressed! I just wish the scale length is 650 though.

It has a minor ding 1/8" wide on the upper bout of the top, finger nail wear in the first 3 frets and light pick marks, otherwise it's in excellent condition. Looks like the previous owner only played chords in the first position and never cut his/her nails.

A magnet sticks to the middle of the finger board which suggest there's a truss rod but I cannot find or see any adjustment that is accessible on the inside.
Nice. But don't get too hung up on the scale, you'll get used to it fairly quick, some things are even easier (at least to me) to do on a longer scale guitar.

All the best from Sweden

/Jon
1950 - Jose Ramirez II
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1990 - Antonio Raya Pardo 1A
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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