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Post by dandan » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:32 am

eno wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:40 pm
I also have a few additions
First is Rokutaro Nakade A9 1969 (probably his highest model in that year), just arrived and still recovering, needs cleaning, saddle adjustment and new strings. I don't know how it sounds yet but overall the condition is very good.
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Second is Kohno No 20 1975 in very good condition, arrived two weeks ago. With new strings it sounds good with even and a bit piano-like sound as most of parallel braced Kohno guitars of the 70s period, but not as good as my 1967 fan-braced Kohno. I will be selling it
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Another one is Yairi YG-20, the year is unknown but based on the label it's from late 60s. Condition is ok with a few scratches and the sound is ok too but nothing special, so I will let it go as well.
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Congrats on the new acquisitions, especially the Rokutaro A9. Mine is my favourite guitar, it has an ethereal, transcendent quality. If you like yours half as much you'll be very happy. I've been through many guitars, including a '62 Kono (just sold) and the A9 is a definite keeper.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Post by dandan » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:34 am

rinneby wrote:
Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:48 pm
My latest purchase (with thanks to our friend Dandan): A Hiroumi Yamaguchi 山口広海, that I actually don't know very much about, more than it looks to be in good condition with great build quality. Hiroumi Yamaguchi worked for Masaru Matano in the late 1960s and created his own "Cervantes" label in the mid 70s. He was also a part of the Asturias team during the 80s, even though he continued making Cervantes guitars. In 1985 Hiroumi left the Asturias workshop and started his own label with his own name until the early 90s. My guess is that my guitar is from this era. Dandan recognized the rosette to be "Fleta inspired", something that I'm very curious about, since both Matano and Cervantes guitars were Ramirez inspired. The guitar is in Japan right now and I expect it to be in Sweden in about two-three weeks.

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All the best from Sweden
/Jon
A good buy I think. I would be interested to know about the bracing pattern of this guitar.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:51 pm

dandan wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:32 am
Congrats on the new acquisitions, especially the Rokutaro A9. Mine is my favourite guitar, it has an ethereal, transcendent quality. If you like yours half as much you'll be very happy. I've been through many guitars, including a '62 Kono (just sold) and the A9 is a definite keeper.

I cleaned, adjusted the saddle and put D'Addario stirngs (I ran out of my favourite Ramirez ones) and it's now playable. WOW! this guitar sounds unbeleivable! This is the first guitar I ever played that challenges my Bernabe and it definitely beats the Kohno 1967 (although I still like the Kohno, it sounds great in its own way). It does have that ethereal and transcendent quality of tone (which Bernabe also has in a way). It's interesting that it sonds quite different compared to Rokutaro 1967 which seems to be a custom model and sounds rather deep and dark in spite of having spruce top. I think Rokutaro Nakade is one of the most under-appreciated Japanese luthiers and IMHO one of the best.

Dandan, what strings do you use on your Rokutaro?
Paulino Bernabe 'India' 2001
Masaru Kohno No.6 1967
Rokutaro Nakade 1967, 1962

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Post by dandan » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:35 pm

eno wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:51 pm
dandan wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:32 am
Congrats on the new acquisitions, especially the Rokutaro A9. Mine is my favourite guitar, it has an ethereal, transcendent quality. If you like yours half as much you'll be very happy. I've been through many guitars, including a '62 Kono (just sold) and the A9 is a definite keeper.

I cleaned, adjusted the saddle and put D'Addario stirngs (I ran out of my favourite Ramirez ones) and it's now playable. WOW! this guitar sounds unbeleivable! This is the first guitar I ever played that challenges my Bernabe and it definitely beats the Kohno 1967 (although I still like the Kohno, it sounds great in its own way). It does have that ethereal and transcendent quality of tone (which Bernabe also has in a way). It's interesting that it sonds quite different compared to Rokutaro 1967 which seems to be a custom model and sounds rather deep and dark in spite of having spruce top. I think Rokutaro Nakade is one of the most under-appreciated Japanese luthiers and IMHO one of the best.

Dandan, what strings do you use on your Rokutaro?
Philippe Bosset prestige normal tension.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS

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Post by rinneby » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:21 am

Dear friends. Here's my requested evaluation of my newly acquired Hiroumi Yamaguchi. I played it since yesterday with new strings (La Bella 2001 Medium). The scale is 650 mm and the nut 52 mm, action just below 4/3 mm. Top is solid cedar and back and sides are Indian rosewood. These are my thoughts:

- Great volume
- Very rich harmonics/overtones
- A feeling of reverb when playing
- Fantastic sustain
- Great separation
- Excellent intonation
- Responds quickly
- Clear bright tone, but never harsh or thin sounding
- Easy to play
- Good build quality
- Nice details, but nothing over the top
- Relatively lightly built
- Mint condition

It feels almost hard to admit, but this guitar actually challenges my Kohno Maestro in some ways, which I paid infinitely more for. This could very well my best purchase to date. I'm both happy and quite chocked :shock:

UPDATE: I have now played the guitar some more and while I still like it very much I feel my Maestro has a thicker/softer/warmer sound to it - I also find the Maestro a little bit easier to play, even though its not quite as loud and bright as the Yamaguchi.

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All the best from Sweden
/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by eno » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:10 am

WOW, what a jewel!
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Post by rinneby » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:43 pm

eno wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:10 am
WOW, what a jewel!
It sure is! :merci:
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Post by 630mm » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:55 pm

Do you know what the original 1980s japanese selling price was on this guitar?
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Post by rinneby » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:51 pm

630mm wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:55 pm
Do you know what the original 1980s japanese selling price was on this guitar?
Actually no. I don't even know when it was made. But from what I read Hiroumi Yamaguchi only built guitars with his own name during the mid 80s to early 90s. This I cannot confirm. There is a serial number that reads 14026, but I cannot make anything out of it. "Heisei 14" equals year 2002, so that makes no sense.

Regarding the price it's the same, I don't know. A wild guess would be around 200.000-300.000 yen.

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/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by SteveL123 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:21 pm

I've noticed, since getting my Takemine C132S, that all Japanese made guitars only use Phillips head screws on the tuning machines, Spanish made always use slotted heads. Is that true in general?

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Jorge Oliveira » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:56 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:21 pm
I've noticed, since getting my Takemine C132S, that all Japanese made guitars only use Phillips head screws on the tuning machines, Spanish made always use slotted heads. Is that true in general?
Well, Steve, I don't know if that is true in general but, in fact, the original tuning machines of my Aria A558 used, indeed, Phillips head screws, whereas my Hermanos Camps Master uses slotted head screws :D.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by martinardo » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:27 pm

Very nice, elegant guitar, jon. I'm really taken with the rosette: the colours and the complexity.
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Post by rinneby » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:59 am

martinardo wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:27 pm
Very nice, elegant guitar, jon. I'm really taken with the rosette: the colours and the complexity.
Agreed, that rosette is really something. Even better in real life!

/Jon
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2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

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Post by andreas777 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:17 pm

I'm still waiting for the first Japanese guitar exhibition in Sweden. Is there a museum with a large room in your home town, Jon? Your new guitar looks very good, especially this regular cedar wood is gorgeous.
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Post by rinneby » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:12 pm

andreas777 wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:17 pm
I'm still waiting for the first Japanese guitar exhibition in Sweden. Is there a museum with a large room in your home town, Jon? Your new guitar looks very good, especially this regular cedar wood is gorgeous.
:) Well, sadly I can't keep every guitar. But I still have quite a few at home, hehe.

/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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