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Post by Jacek A. Rochacki » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:15 pm

Thanks a lot, Jon. So the top in the GA 80 is not solid but laminated one. Am I right ?
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Post by rinneby » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:16 pm

Jacek A. Rochacki wrote:
Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:15 pm
Thanks a lot, Jon. So the top in the GA 80 is not solid but laminated one. Am I right ?
Correct, only the "S" from the Conservatory Series had solid top. With that said, I once had an old Ibanez from the 70s with laminated top, it was awesome :)

/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
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Post by Jacek A. Rochacki » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:33 pm

- oh yes, I also heard that Japanese who are master woodworkes including different techniques of lamination (not only in wood - also in metal - I was doing myself lamination in silver and copper, other metals and alloys using Japanese technique named Mokume Gane) were sometime making cheap guitars with laminated tops which were able to produce nice sounds in right hands. Thank you, Jon, again.
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Post by rinneby » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:58 am

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:59 am
rinneby wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:32 am
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:31 am
My Kuniharu Nobe has shipped today from Japan in express mail... :D
Yes! :guitare: :mouton: My guess is that you will have the guitar on Tuesday/Wednesday if customs doesn't mess with you ;)
I'm tracking the package and, Indeed, it arrived to Lisbon this Monday, October 2nd. Since then it is "Held for customs inspection"... :(. Apparently, they are already messing messing with it... But tell me, Jon, how did you receive your Japanese guitars? Are they delivered directly to your home? Did you have to collect them at some Post Office depot? And how did you pay the customs duties?
How's it going? :?:
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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:15 pm

Very, very slowly, Jon :(. The package arrived in Lisbon on Monday a week ago and only last Friday afternoon I received a letter from the Post Office asking for information concerning the cost of the "object", its packing and international shipping. They asked also for proof of payment (the Pay Pal invoices), etc. This letter took longer to travel from Lisbon to Cascais (some 40 km) than for the guitar to travel from Tokyo to Lisbon! :shock: I sent back all the requested information by e-mail on the same day and I'm now waiting. Unfortunately, as of tomorrow I'll be out of Cascais for a week, touring the North of Portugal with a Dutch couple we are friends with since our days in Mozambique in the seventies. Most likely, when the notice from the Post Office to collect the guitar arrives I won't be here... :(
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Post by rinneby » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:32 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:15 pm
Very, very slowly, Jon :(. The package arrived in Lisbon on Monday a week ago and only last Friday afternoon I received a letter from the Post Office asking for information concerning the cost of the "object", its packing and international shipping. They asked also for proof of payment (the Pay Pal invoices), etc. This letter took longer to travel from Lisbon to Cascais (some 40 km) than for the guitar to travel from Tokyo to Lisbon! :shock: I sent back all the requested information by e-mail on the same day and I'm now waiting. Unfortunately, as of tomorrow I'll be out of Cascais for a week, touring the North of Portugal with a Dutch couple we are friends with since our days in Mozambique in the seventies. Most likely, when the notice from the Post Office to collect the guitar arrives I won't be here... :(
Sorry to hear that, but it will all work out in the end I'm sure. On all my packages it said "musical instrument" as well as the cost, directly form Japan, strange. EMS shipping.

/J
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Post by andreas777 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:16 pm

My luthier told me today (after removing the complete varnish and grinding the top) that my 1968 Saburo Nogami has a cedar top :?
We both agreed that this is unusual for such an old Japanese guitar, and it seems to be only a short time after Ramirez introduced his first guitar with cedar top. According to the archive Yamaha introduced cedar tops in 1974. Any thoughts?
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Post by dandan » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:19 pm

That is indeed old for a cedar top. The oldest one I have owned which I am certain was cedar is 1972.
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Post by Carter53 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm

Sorry to change the topic but I am puzzled by a Rokaturo Nakade guitar currently listed for auction. The label appears to date the guitar in 1997. I thought Rokaturo passed away in the 1970's. Am I mistaken? Or is this a fake??
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Post by rinneby » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:36 pm

Carter53 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm
Sorry to change the topic but I am puzzled by a Rokaturo Nakade guitar currently listed for auction. The label appears to date the guitar in 1997. I thought Rokaturo passed away in the 1970's. Am I mistaken? Or is this a fake??
The label is genuine for sure and the headstock looks like Rokutaro Nakade. It's probably some kind kind of special model made in the late 60s or early 70s. It looks high end for sure, the tuners are replaced though.

/Jon
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Post by Carter53 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:48 pm

Do you think "97" is a typo?
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Post by rinneby » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:48 pm

Carter53 wrote:
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Do you think "97" is a typo?
No, I think it's either added later, or means something. Sorry I can't be more specific :)

/Jon
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Carter53 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm
Sorry to change the topic but I am puzzled by a Rokaturo Nakade guitar currently listed for auction. The label appears to date the guitar in 1997. I thought Rokaturo passed away in the 1970's. Am I mistaken? Or is this a fake??
Something is not quite right here. The label looks much older than the rest of the guitar.
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Post by rinneby » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:15 pm

dandan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:52 pm
Carter53 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm
Sorry to change the topic but I am puzzled by a Rokaturo Nakade guitar currently listed for auction. The label appears to date the guitar in 1997. I thought Rokaturo passed away in the 1970's. Am I mistaken? Or is this a fake??
Something is not quite right here. The label looks much older than the rest of the guitar.
Agreed. But the headstock looks Nakade right, even though it almost looks like plastic is added on top? Could it be an older guitar that has been restored in 97? Or even worse, a cheapo turned into a "Nakade" :shock:

It's not unheard of fake labeled Japanese classical guitar, Ryoji Matsuoka comes to mind.

/Jon
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Post by dandan » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:25 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:15 pm
dandan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:52 pm
Carter53 wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 pm
Sorry to change the topic but I am puzzled by a Rokaturo Nakade guitar currently listed for auction. The label appears to date the guitar in 1997. I thought Rokaturo passed away in the 1970's. Am I mistaken? Or is this a fake??
Something is not quite right here. The label looks much older than the rest of the guitar.
Agreed. But the headstock looks Nakade right? Could it be an older guitar that been restored in 97? Or even worse, a cheapo turned into a "Nakade" :shock:

/Jon
It's a strange one. The headstock is similar, as are the bridge and rosette, but the whole guitar looks too new apart from the label, which looks old. It's as though the guitar was built in '97, but with the date printed on an old label and stuck on. It looks like a well made guitar. Everything I've read suggests Rokutaro Nakade died sometime in the '70s. The latest guitar I've seen was 1974. Perhaps one of his sons found an old label and decided to build an homage to his father, using his signature headstock and rosette design?
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
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