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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:26 pm

dandan wrote:
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rinneby wrote:
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dandan wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:52 pm

Something is not quite right here. The label looks much older than the rest of the guitar.
Agreed. But the headstock looks Nakade right? Could it be an older guitar that been restored in 97? Or even worse, a cheapo turned into a "Nakade" :shock:

/Jon
It's a strange one. The headstock is similar, as are the bridge and rosette, but the whole guitar looks too new apart from the label, which looks old. It's as though the guitar was built in '97, but with the date printed on an old label and stuck on. It looks like a well made guitar. Everything I've read suggests Rokutaro Nakade died sometime in the '70s. The latest guitar I've seen was 1974. Perhaps one of his sons found an old label and decided to build an homage to his father, using his signature headstock and rosette design?
It's a mystery for sure. Who's up for bidding to find out? ;)

The only Nakade that makes carved/figured headstocks is Toshihiko Nakade, as far as I know. He did build guitars in 97 for sure.

/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by joelmalit » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:12 pm

my guess
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Carter53 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:51 am

Here's my theory. This guitar was acquired by the seller without a label and someone ventured a guess that it was a Nakade. The seller probably did a search and a Rokaturo model was the first to appear. He/she decides to make it official with a label. No one told him Rokaturo was gone to the big workshop in the sky by 97 so that was as good a year as any other as far as he/she was concerned.
I really like how Joelmalit photo shopped those extra "1s" onto the label. I wonder if I have any photo shopped labels inside my guitars?
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Jorge Oliveira » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:30 am

rinneby wrote:
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Jorge Oliveira wrote:
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Very, very slowly, Jon :(. The package arrived in Lisbon on Monday a week ago and only last Friday afternoon I received a letter from the Post Office asking for information concerning the cost of the "object", its packing and international shipping. They asked also for proof of payment (the Pay Pal invoices), etc. This letter took longer to travel from Lisbon to Cascais (some 40 km) than for the guitar to travel from Tokyo to Lisbon! :shock: I sent back all the requested information by e-mail on the same day and I'm now waiting. Unfortunately, as of tomorrow I'll be out of Cascais for a week, touring the North of Portugal with a Dutch couple we are friends with since our days in Mozambique in the seventies. Most likely, when the notice from the Post Office to collect the guitar arrives I won't be here... :(
Sorry to hear that, but it will all work out in the end I'm sure. On all my packages it said "musical instrument" as well as the cost, directly form Japan, strange. EMS shipping.

/J
Got yesterday a notice from the Post Office to pick-up my Kuniharu Nobe :D. Unfortunately, I'm out of town, will be only able to to it next week :o.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:31 am

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:30 am
Got yesterday a notice from the Post Office to pick-up my Kuniharu Nobe :D. Unfortunately, I'm out of town, will be only able to to it next week :o.
:bravo: :mouton:
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:35 am

Here's an interesting one, soon on it's way to Sweden:'

A Takamine Hirade Master Arte Model 8 from 1980. This was the top model signed (and possibly built) by Mass Hirade himself, originally a luthier at the Kohno workshop.

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/Jon
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1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by Charliecheswick » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:48 am

Hi can anyone on this thread help Id this old looking Japanese guitar that I posted

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:14 pm

So here's my review for the Atushi Nakamura No.15:

When I first got the guitar the frets were in really bad shape, as well as the nut and saddle, so it was impossible to make any fair judgements regarding the sound back then. However, I felt the guitar had that "something" and took the chance. I'm glad I did. The Nakamura has top quality solid spruce and solid BR back and sides. It's lightly built, more so than any other Japanse guitar I've come across and it just feels "right" when you pick it up. A quality work for sure. The light construction gives the guitar a very fast response and you feel every note, especially the bass notes, through your body when you play. It's well balanced and while not the longest sustain out there, every note is thick and warm, even the trebles. At the same time the midrange is clear and defined. The scale is 655 mm and nut is 52 and the neck is a little on the "thick" side, but not overly so. Its comfortable to play and the action is below 4/3 mm with no buzzing or playability issues. This was a great find for me and a keeper for sure.

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1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by es335 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:42 pm

Congrats Jon! That’s a very, very beautiful guitar, which even more enhances by some beautiful Rodgers tuners.
Sometimes one must take risks! :bravo:

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:00 pm

rinneby wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:35 am
Here's an interesting one, soon on it's way to Sweden:'

A Takamine Hirade Master Arte Model 8 from 1980. This was the top model signed (and possibly built) by Mass Hirade himself, originally a luthier at the Kohno workshop.

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All the best from Sweden
/Jon
Nice looking guitar. Don't think it was the top model though, as I've seen a model 15 before.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS
1977 Aria AG80

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:42 pm

dandan wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:00 pm
Nice looking guitar. Don't think it was the top model though, as I've seen a model 15 before.
Thanks! But are you sure about an actual Hirade Master Arte 15? I've never seen it, but you could very well be right. There was a Takamine No.15, but it's not the same guitar. Anyway, so far I've seen models 5,7 and 8 from the master series. To my understanding a model 7 cost 1250 dollars in 1977, of this I'm not sure.
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:16 pm

rinneby wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:42 pm
dandan wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:00 pm
Nice looking guitar. Don't think it was the top model though, as I've seen a model 15 before.
Thanks! But are you sure about an actual Hirade Master Arte 15? I've never seen it, but you could very well be right. There was a Takamine No.15, but it's not the same guitar. Anyway, so far I've seen models 5,7 and 8 from the master series. To my understanding a model 7 cost 1250 dollars in 1977, of this I'm not sure.
Yes, I'm sure it was a Master Arte 15. It was an exquisite looking guitar with beautiful marquetry. I'm sure the model 8 is a very fine guitar.
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1966 Sakazo Nakade model D
1988 Hiroumi Yamaguchi SS
1977 Aria AG80

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:21 pm

dandan wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:16 pm
rinneby wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:42 pm
dandan wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:00 pm
Nice looking guitar. Don't think it was the top model though, as I've seen a model 15 before.
Thanks! But are you sure about an actual Hirade Master Arte 15? I've never seen it, but you could very well be right. There was a Takamine No.15, but it's not the same guitar. Anyway, so far I've seen models 5,7 and 8 from the master series. To my understanding a model 7 cost 1250 dollars in 1977, of this I'm not sure.
Yes, I'm sure it was a Master Arte 15. It was an exquisite looking guitar with beautiful marquetry. I'm sure the model 8 is a very fine guitar.
Nice, let me know when you see one for sale, these Master Arte models seems quite rare. Hopefully they are good too :guitare:
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:27 pm

There is a nice "HARUTAKA NAGASUE No 15" on B**** right now. It could be a steal with a little bit of luck.

/Jon
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:41 pm

es335 wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:42 pm
Congrats Jon! That’s a very, very beautiful guitar, which even more enhances by some beautiful Rodgers tuners.
Sometimes one must take risks! :bravo:
:mouton:
1965 - Masaru Kono No.5
1975 - Atushi Nakamura No.15
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1980 - Hirade Master Arte 8
1996 - Masaru Kohno Maestro

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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