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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:59 pm

rinneby wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:51 pm
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:28 pm
Repairs have been initiated on my Kuniharu Nobe #8, 1972, by "my" luthier, Mr. Christian Scwelenger, also a member of this Forum. It should be ready next January. Funny enough, beyond the fact that its arm is bent somehow, there are no scratches at all in the instrument. Christian says that, probably, it was not played at all. I think I'm a lucky fellow. I deposit great hope in this instrument :D.
Great news :mouton: With "arm" I suppose you mean "neck". So, what repairs are needed? Fingers crossed for you and the guitar!

/J
Yes, Jon, I meant "neck". As for the repairs, as the neck is somehow bent, Christian will shave the present fretboard so as to make it plain and will glue another one, thinner than usual, I guess, on top of it. It will also, probably, shave a bit the soft wood of the neck as well, so that it stays with the right thickness along it. Rest assured, Jon, I'll keep you up-to-date :D.
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JPN (under repair)
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JPN
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CAN Ced, MDG RW B&S, Banyoles, ESP

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Post by satanikoskioftes » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:22 am

I searched this topic and... Why is Michihiro Matsuda missing for this thread? I know he is more into acoustics but he has made some classical ones that are really works of art

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Post by rinneby » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:08 am

satanikoskioftes wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:22 am
I searched this topic and... Why is Michihiro Matsuda missing for this thread? I know he is more into acoustics but he has made some classical ones that are really works of art
Most welcome. Michihiro Matsuda (or Mishi Matsuda) is a pretty young luthier, who went to Roberto-Venn School of Luthiery. He sure seems talented, but I haven't tried or seen any of his (traditional) classical guitars. I will add him to my list. Do you have any pictures or sound clips to share?

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1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:53 pm

Couldn't resist, bought myself another Japanese guitar at Buyee yesterday, this time a Ryoji Matsuoka No. 40 from 1979 :D. It seems to be in a reasonable condition but, as usual, one does not know if the neck is bent or not :(. Anyway, if yes, my luthier will know how to repair it (another fretboard, perhaps?). I'll let everyone know once it arrives to Portugal.
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JPN (under repair)
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JPN
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CAN Ced, MDG RW B&S, Banyoles, ESP

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Post by rinneby » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:19 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:53 pm
Couldn't resist, bought myself another Japanese guitar at Buyee yesterday, this time a Ryoji Matsuoka No. 40 from 1979 :D. It seems to be in a reasonable condition but, as usual, one does not know if the neck is bent or not :(. Anyway, if yes, my luthier will know how to repair it (another fretboard, perhaps?). I'll let everyone know once it arrives to Portugal.
Congrats! -79 was a great year, it's the year I was born :)

/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:34 pm

rinneby wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:19 pm
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:53 pm
Couldn't resist, bought myself another Japanese guitar at Buyee yesterday, this time a Ryoji Matsuoka No. 40 from 1979 :D. It seems to be in a reasonable condition but, as usual, one does not know if the neck is bent or not :(. Anyway, if yes, my luthier will know how to repair it (another fretboard, perhaps?). I'll let everyone know once it arrives to Portugal.
Congrats! -79 was a great year, it's the year I was born :)

/Jon
Thanks, Jon :D. Let's hope 1979 is a good year for my guitar too :).
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JPN (under repair)
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JPN
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CAN Ced, MDG RW B&S, Banyoles, ESP

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Post by rinneby » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:35 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:34 pm
rinneby wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:19 pm
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:53 pm
Couldn't resist, bought myself another Japanese guitar at Buyee yesterday, this time a Ryoji Matsuoka No. 40 from 1979 :D. It seems to be in a reasonable condition but, as usual, one does not know if the neck is bent or not :(. Anyway, if yes, my luthier will know how to repair it (another fretboard, perhaps?). I'll let everyone know once it arrives to Portugal.
Congrats! -79 was a great year, it's the year I was born :)

/Jon
Thanks, Jon :D. Let's hope 1979 is a good year for my guitar too :).
Indeed :)
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by 630mm » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:46 pm

I didn't realize they still made the no.40 and not the M40 in '79. Does it have the double support strips in the neck? My Matsuoka No.30 from 1973 was in rough shape with a bowed neck but it was a complete surprise, in a good way. It is very responsive with great volume, sustain, deep basses and warm trebles with plenty of richness. Best of luck with your Matsuoka.
1973 Ryoji Matsuoka No. 30 Cedar 650mm
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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:30 am

630mm wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:46 pm
I didn't realize they still made the no.40 and not the M40 in '79. Does it have the double support strips in the neck? My Matsuoka No.30 from 1973 was in rough shape with a bowed neck but it was a complete surprise, in a good way. It is very responsive with great volume, sustain, deep basses and warm trebles with plenty of richness. Best of luck with your Matsuoka.
No my guitar does not have black strips in the back of the neck. And, yes, according to what is written in this blog, by late 1970s Ryoji Matsuoka was already producing his own line of guitars, the M series - the Concert, the Artist and the Artisan models. So a No.40 from 1979 does not fit. May be it is a fake, I don't know, but that's what is in the picture of the guitar label at the auction site (Buyee, Japan).
Logo Ryoji Matsuoka No. 40 1979.jpg
Also, according to the blog, "The Concert series includes the M20 ( lam spruce top, nato neck), M30 (solid spruce top, mahogany neck), M40 (solid spruce top, mahogany neck). All 3 models have laminated rosewood back and sides and rosewood fingerboards". Now, looking at the following picture,
Ryoji Matsuoka front and back.jpg
it seems that the back (and the sides, in other pictures) is rosewood. Again, looking at the picture of the label, the wood where it is glued does seems to have some veins, some texture, which leads me to believe that the back of the guitar is solid rosewood, not laminated rosewood (in my Aria A558 is laminated rosewood, the wood where the label was glued does not have any texture). If so, again, according to the blog, it cannot be an M40. Is the back of your Matsuoka No.30 from 1973 made of solid rosewood?
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1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JPN (under repair)
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JPN
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CAN Ced, MDG RW B&S, Banyoles, ESP

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Post by rinneby » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:26 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:30 am
630mm wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:46 pm
I didn't realize they still made the no.40 and not the M40 in '79. Does it have the double support strips in the neck? My Matsuoka No.30 from 1973 was in rough shape with a bowed neck but it was a complete surprise, in a good way. It is very responsive with great volume, sustain, deep basses and warm trebles with plenty of richness. Best of luck with your Matsuoka.
No my guitar does not have black strips in the back of the neck. And, yes, according to what is written in this blog, by late 1970s Ryoji Matsuoka was already producing his own line of guitars, the M series - the Concert, the Artist and the Artisan models. So a No.40 from 1979 does not fit. May be it is a fake, I don't know, but that's what is in the picture of the guitar label at the auction site (Buyee, Japan).

Logo Ryoji Matsuoka No. 40 1979.jpg

Also, according to the blog, "The Concert series includes the M20 ( lam spruce top, nato neck), M30 (solid spruce top, mahogany neck), M40 (solid spruce top, mahogany neck). All 3 models have laminated rosewood back and sides and rosewood fingerboards". Now, looking at the following picture,
Ryoji Matsuoka front and back.jpg

it seems that the back (and the sides, in other pictures) is rosewood. Again, looking at the picture of the label, the wood where it is glued does seems to have some veins, some texture, which leads me to believe that the back of the guitar is solid rosewood, not laminated rosewood (in my Aria A558 is laminated rosewood, the wood where the label was glued does not have any texture). If so, again, according to the blog, it cannot be an M40. Is the back of your Matsuoka No.30 from 1973 made of solid rosewood?
I'm pretty sure it's not a fake Matsuoka, it looks like many I've seen in the past. The labels can sometimes be confusing. This was most likely a 40.000 Yen in 1979.

Kind regards
/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:45 pm

Thanks, Jon, I was really concerned.

Best regards,

Jorge
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JPN (under repair)
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JPN
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CAN Ced, MDG RW B&S, Banyoles, ESP

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Post by 630mm » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:26 pm

I didn't mean to alarm you. I was pointing out a gap in my knowledge...there are probably many.
1973 Ryoji Matsuoka No. 30 Cedar 650mm
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2015 Francisco Navarro Concert Cedar 630mm
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Post by Ramon Amira » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:05 pm

Can any expert on Japanese guitars shed any light on this guitar - (from a different thread)

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Post by rinneby » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:20 pm

Ramon Amira wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:05 pm
Can any expert on Japanese guitars shed any light on this guitar - (from a different thread)

Ramon

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=116074
Done.

/Jon
1977 - Kuniharu Nobe No.15
1997 - Dragan Musulin
2004 - Alain Raifort Grand Concert
2006 - Casimiro Lozano XXV Aniversario

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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:57 pm

630mm wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:26 pm
I didn't mean to alarm you. I was pointing out a gap in my knowledge...there are probably many.
Don't worry, 630mm, everything is clarified now. Just today I received an e-mail from Buyee saying that the guitar has arrived to their warehouse. They are now packaging it in preparation for its flight to Lisbon. I shall have it within a couple of weeks, I hope :D.

Concerning you Matsuoka No.30/1973, did you check if it is made of solid rosewood in the back and sides?
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JPN (under repair)
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JPN
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CAN Ced, MDG RW B&S, Banyoles, ESP

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