We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Post by rinneby » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:58 pm

This goes to you all:

One thing to consider when reading through all these pages, is that no one had any problems with CITES and import from Japan. Sure it took some time for some to get their instruments, but nothing has been confiscated as far as I know. Have we been lucky, or does the customs simply not care about music instruments?

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1992 - Manuel Bellido
2007 - Curt Claus Voigt Torres

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Post by rinneby » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:33 am

Today I'm a little bit excited! :mouton:

Ever since I started to collect, trade and sell Japanese classical guitars, I've tried to get hold of an Ibanez Mastercraft GS-15. The supposed top model from the Ibanez/Tama factory, with solid cedar top and solid Brazilian rosewood back and sides, produced for a very short time during the early 80s.

For long I thought this model was only a prototype, never taken into production. But yesterday I was proven wrong. This guitar is actually real and is now on it's way to Sweden. Hopefully I will have it by Friday, before Christmas.

According to my calculations the Ibanez Mastercraft GS-15 and GS-10 are the exact same models as Tama TC-15 and TC-10, but with different labels, of this I'm not 100% sure. There are also rumors of a GA1000 and GA1200 model from Ibanez, but these I've only seen under the Ryoji Matsuoka brand and they didn't look the same. The Mastercraft GS-15 and GS-10 looks very much like the Kohno's from the same era, with double ebony reinforcement strips, even the head shape is the same. I'm pretty sure the bracing is the same as well, but time will tell.

Anyway, here's the original brochure from 1980 with info on the mysterious Ibanez Mastercraft guitars, my GS-15 looks 100% the same. Happy times!

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All the best from Sweden
/Jon
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Post by cgratham » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:49 am

Congratulations Jon. That's very exciting. The back on that GS15 pictured in the brochure looks amazing.
Cheers, Chris

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Post by rinneby » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:03 am

cgratham wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:49 am
Congratulations Jon. That's very exciting. The back on that GS15 pictured in the brochure looks amazing.
Cheers, Chris
Thanks Chris. By the way, I've answered your PM.

All the best

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Post by es335 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:38 am

Congrats Jon! I’ve even seen an old Ibanez catalogue in the internet where the make including bracing was pictured and guess what? The parallel bracing which Kohno introduced in the 70‘s! Who needs more evidence about the origin of these top models?!

Here is the link to the 1980 catalogue and it even looks like that Masaki Sakurai is the pictured luthier there!?

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Post by rinneby » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:46 am

es335 wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:38 am
Congrats Jon! I’ve even seen an old Ibanez catalogue in the internet where the make including bracing was pictured and guess what? The parallel bracing which Kohno introduced in the 70‘s! Who needs more evidence about the origin of these top models?!

Here is the link to the 1980 catalogue and it even looks like that Masaki Sakurai is the pictured luthier there!?
Indeed! And with 650 mm scale and 52 mm nut it should be more playable than the Kohno's from the 70s ! :guitare:
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Post by rinneby » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:28 pm

es335 wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:38 am
Here is the link to the 1980 catalogue and it even looks like that Masaki Sakurai is the pictured luthier there!?
That looks like Masaki Sakurai for sure! A very young one :)

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Post by rwe » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:55 am

rinneby wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:33 am
According to my calculations the Ibanez Mastercraft GS-15 and GS-10 are the exact same models as Tama TC-15 and TC-10, but with different labels, of this I'm not 100% sure.
In the catalogues the Tama models have a cedar top, the Ibanez in your catalogue a spruce top. But a colleague of mine has a TC-15 with a spruce top while mine has a cedar top...

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Post by rinneby » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:56 am

rwe wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:55 am
rinneby wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:33 am
According to my calculations the Ibanez Mastercraft GS-15 and GS-10 are the exact same models as Tama TC-15 and TC-10, but with different labels, of this I'm not 100% sure.
In the catalogues the Tama models have a cedar top, the Ibanez in your catalogue a spruce top. But a colleague of mine has a TC-15 with a spruce top while mine has a cedar top...
That is true indeed, I guess mine is Spruce then as stated. I will have the guitar by Friday to confirm :)

/Jon
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Post by rwe » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:57 am

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:27 pm
Got finally my Ryoji Matsuoka No.40 (1979). <...> The neck is not bent but the strings are a bit high for my taste - the 6th string is 4.5 mm above the 12nd fret and I would rather have it at around 3.5 mm. I think it can be done.
Same with my Matsuoka M100 (bought in spring 1983, it might be built in 1982). Congratulations!

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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:25 pm

rwe wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:57 am
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:27 pm
Got finally my Ryoji Matsuoka No.40 (1979). <...> The neck is not bent but the strings are a bit high for my taste - the 6th string is 4.5 mm above the 12nd fret and I would rather have it at around 3.5 mm. I think it can be done.
Same with my Matsuoka M100 (bought in spring 1983, it might be built in 1982). Congratulations!
Thank you, rwe, I'm quite happy, indeed, with this acquisition. I'll have a meeting with my luthier beginning of January to see what can be done to adjust it to my taste. As for the age of your M100, may be it is engraved on the top of the transverse bar (see, please, the photo in my post of Dec-16 in this Topic). Have you already looked inside the hole?
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JP
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40, 650/51, Ced, RW B&S, JP
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JP
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CA Ced, MG RW B&S, Banyoles, ES

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Post by rinneby » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:25 pm
Reminder...
By the way Jorge, tomorrow my Nobe is back from rehab. Happy times!

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Post by Jorge Oliveira » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:32 pm

rinneby wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:34 pm
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:25 pm
Reminder...
By the way Jorge, tomorrow my Nobe is back from rehab. Happy times!

/J
Lucky fellow :D!... What the rehabilitation of your Nobe consisted of? Varnishing the whole thing? Lowering the strings? In my case, my luthier (Christian Schwengeler, a member of this forum) will replace the fretboard with a new one (the neck is a little bent), adjust the hight of the strings and will reshape the lower part of the neck so that its thickness adjusts to the new fretboard. In doing so the whole neck, heel and headstock will be varnished anew, I think. The top, bridge, back and sides are in pretty good condition (no scratches at all, can you believe?), therefore, they will not be worked out. Christian says that it will start working on it beginning of next year. I have to be patient.

As for the Matsuoka, well, I don't know, I'm tempted to submit it to a full refinish. But I'm not sure yet, I'll have to talk to Christian first...
1972 - Kuniharu Nobe #8, 658/51, Spr, RW B&S, Tokio, JP
1979 - Ryoji Matsuoka No.40, 650/51, Ced, RW B&S, JP
1987 - Aria A558, 650/51, Ced, lam RW B&S, Nagoya, JP
2014 - Hermanos Camps Master Nº 3, 650/52, CA Ced, MG RW B&S, Banyoles, ES

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Post by rwe » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:41 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:25 pm
As for the age of your M100, may be it is engraved on the top of the transverse bar (see, please, the photo in my post of Dec-16 in this Topic). Have you already looked inside the hole?
Hello Jorge,

thank you for the hint. I lent this Instrument to a friend of mine, perhaps I will see it during the christmas holidays.

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Post by rinneby » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:43 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:32 pm
Lucky fellow :D!... What the rehabilitation of your Nobe consisted of? Varnishing the whole thing? Lowering the strings? In my case, my luthier (Christian Schwengeler, a member of this forum) will replace the fretboard with a new one (the neck is a little bent), adjust the hight of the strings and will reshape the lower part of the neck so that its thickness adjusts to the new fretboard. In doing so the whole neck, heel and headstock will be varnished anew, I think. The top, bridge, back and sides are in pretty good condition (no scratches at all, can you believe?), therefore, they will not be worked out. Christian says that it will start working on it beginning of next year. I have to be patient.
New frets and new saddle + nut and maybe 12-hole tie block, if needed for the break angle. Expect a review very soon ;)

/J
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