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Post by rinneby » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:47 am

A nice Ryoji Matsuoka No.20 from 1973 with double reinforcement ebony strips on B**** now, 4 hours left.

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Post by andreas777 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:37 pm

rinneby wrote:
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That is true indeed, I guess mine is Spruce then as stated. I will have the guitar by Friday to confirm :)
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Hi Jon, have you received your Ibanez Mastercraft yet? I guess it's the one that was offered in Germany. I'm curious how this guitar compares to your other guitars.
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Post by rinneby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:38 pm

andreas777 wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:37 pm
rinneby wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:56 am
That is true indeed, I guess mine is Spruce then as stated. I will have the guitar by Friday to confirm :)
/Jon
Hi Jon, have you received your Ibanez Mastercraft yet? I guess it's the one that was offered in Germany. I'm curious how this guitar compares to your other guitars.
I sure have, as well as my Kuniharu Nobe (with new frets) I can write a little review later tonight!

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Post by rinneby » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:45 pm

So here's my review for the Ibanez Mastercraft GS-15 from 1980:

This guitar is heavy built, much like the Kohno and Sakurai guitars from the same era. In fact it's built exactly like a Kohno from the 70s, the only thing that differs between the GS-15 and a Kohno No.30 is the rosette and the purflings. It has solid spruce top, and solid Brazilian rosewood back and sides, even the tuners are the same, as well as the headstock, double reinforcement ebony strips and of course the internal bracing. No cracks or repairs, the action is good, with much remaining saddle.

The neck is on the thick side, which gives a very solid sustain. The sound is deep, yet clear, with round and warm trebles, even on the high notes. The midrange is somewhat pronounced. Scale is 650 mm and the nut is 52 mm, which makes this guitar more accessible than the older Kohno's. So what we have here is basically a late 70s Masaru Kohno No.30 (or earlier No.20 with Brazilian rosewood) with 650 scale, nothing more, nothing less. So if this is what you are into, it doesn't get any better than this.

Due to the heavy build and quite thick neck I guess this guitar won't see that much play from me personally, but it's still a very nice and extremely rare guitar. However, I'm seriously considering givning the neck a new slimmer profile and the top French polish. We'll se about that...

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Post by beanctr » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:01 pm

Oh yeah, that's got Kohno written all over it! R
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Post by dandan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:48 pm

Nice guitar. Identical to the Tama TC-10 I had, other than the fact that was Indian rosewood. Can you make out the signature on the label?
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Post by rinneby » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:56 pm

dandan wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:48 pm
Nice guitar. Identical to the Tama TC-10 I had, other than the fact that was Indian rosewood. Can you make out the signature on the label?
Yes, this must be exactly the same guitar as the Tama TC-15, but with spruce. I think the Tamas were cedar?

It's very hard to see what the label says, at least the last name seems to be Hondo or Honda or the H is an N... Maybe Mitsuhiko or Mitsuhikeo? But I don't know any luthier by this name... :( Its a mystery.

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Post by rinneby » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:23 pm

Regarding the Ibanez Mastercraft GS-15 If "someone" were to remove the original (probably thick) lacquer, apply thin French polish and maybe reshape neck profile... Well then you have a super high class guitar, no doubt about it. As for now, its to "heavy" for my taste.

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Post by rwe » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:45 pm

rinneby wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:56 pm
exactly the same guitar as the Tama TC-15, but with spruce. I think the Tamas were cedar?
... I thought so too (and mine has a cedar top), but I heard of some with spruce top too (and AFAIK a colleague of mine has such a TC-15 with a spruce top).
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This guitar is heavy built, much like the Kohno and Sakurai guitars from the same era.
Hmm, my Tama TC-15 is not very heavy, it's noticeable lighter than - for example - my Krempel. But the top is thickly reinforced around the soundhole.

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Post by rinneby » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:49 pm

rwe wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:45 pm
rinneby wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:56 pm
exactly the same guitar as the Tama TC-15, but with spruce. I think the Tamas were cedar?
... I thought so too (and mine has a cedar top), but I heard of some with spruce top too (and AFAIK a colleague of mine has such a TC-15 with a spruce top).
rinneby wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:45 pm
This guitar is heavy built, much like the Kohno and Sakurai guitars from the same era.
Hmm, my Tama TC-15 is not very heavy, it's noticeable lighter than - for example - my Krempel. But the top is thickly reinforced around the soundhole.
Thanks for the info! I guess it all depends on what you compare it to, it's not the most heavy guitar I ever felt :)

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Post by dandan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:24 pm

I think the early Tamas were cedar but were changed to spruce mid-production. Or maybe other way round? Can't remember. My TC-10 was very heavily built. I believe it was one of the early ones. Perhaps the later ones were more refined.
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Post by Seaweedtoasted » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:00 am

Hi! 5 years ago I fell in love with a beautiful guitar! It needs some repair, but thought I'd share a pic. I'm thinking about selling to a local composer who will be able to give it TLC and play it. Loving hearing the stories of Japanese Luthiers. Can you help me id this beauty? Someone said they think it's a 1951 Nakade, but I can't find any info besides this forum. Thanks and Happy New Year! What a community!
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Post by dandan » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:10 pm

From the label I think it is a very early Sakazo Nakade. If 1951 is correct, that would make it the earliest one I've seen. The headstock is a shape I've seen on guitars by Rokutaro Nakade before, who was the older brother.
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Post by rinneby » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:33 pm

New luthier found (at least I think so), Hisao Hoshina. Nice looking guitar now on B****. Good luck.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Casey » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:00 pm

From the label I think it is a very early Sakazo Nakade. If 1951 is correct, that would make it the earliest one I've seen.
I agree. The leftwardmost column of characters reads Nakade Sakazo, and the middle column reads the year 1951.

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