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2nd guitar

Post by Jon Gillard » Mon May 01, 2017 9:57 am

Just finished second guitar, a matching pair with the first. Very slightly thinner body, thinner soundboard in lower bout and with Jeffery Elliott's alterations to the original Romanillos bracing design. I think trebles have a bit more zing. Will put up sound sample soon.
Has anyone else followed the plans from the Romanillos book and found the saddle height is rather low?
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Paul Janssen » Mon May 01, 2017 11:05 am

That's only your second guitar? From the photos it looks like it's your 102nd!!! Seriously, it's a beautiful looking instrument. Is that an oil finish you have used? The sides, in particular, look really lovely with whatever finish you have used. I really like the lighter coloured bindings against the darker coloured tone wood you have used on the sides of the guitar.

Well done and keep up the great work.

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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Jon Gillard » Mon May 01, 2017 11:13 am

Thanks Paul, I've made 9 steel strings before. I've started counting the classicals separately!
It's an oil finish, which I'm still trying to perfect. Back and sides are EIR.
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Philipp Lerche » Mon May 01, 2017 8:33 pm

Heyyy !

Beautiful work again !!
Very neat and clean... keep it up !

I am not following the Romanillos Plans but the Torres by N.Ostberg, however what is the height of you fretboard ?
Maybe you can go a bit thicker next time ?
I would love to see the back too. :)
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Jon Gillard » Mon May 01, 2017 9:15 pm

Thanks Philip
fretboard is 6.5 mm at nut and 4.5mm bass side of soundhoke and 5.5mm treble side as per Romanillos plan
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Steve O » Mon May 01, 2017 10:26 pm

Nice looking guitar. I like the matte finish.

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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Grooveman JS » Tue May 02, 2017 2:15 am

it looks very well done for a 2nd guitar...... :bravo:
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by vesa » Tue May 02, 2017 6:11 am

Looks really good. Thanks for sharing Jonathan.
Quite a lot neck relief, your measurements give about 0.7 - 1.4 mm at 12th fret and that needs ca. 1.4 - 2.8 mm less at the bridge.
If the two other parameters are right, neck angle and doming of the top, you could try with a bit less relief next time.The other possibilities are wider neck angle or higher doming.
Is the action too high or can you can play it normally?
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Roberto_K » Tue May 02, 2017 7:22 am

Congratulations. It is impressive! The sound will match certainly.
I have noted that you have numbered this guitar 11 (2 classical + 9 steel = 11).
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Jon Gillard » Tue May 02, 2017 3:15 pm

vesa wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 6:11 am
Looks really good. Thanks for sharing Jonathan.
Quite a lot neck relief, your measurements give about 0.7 - 1.4 mm at 12th fret and that needs ca. 1.4 - 2.8 mm less at the bridge.
If the two other parameters are right, neck angle and doming of the top, you could try with a bit less relief next time.The other possibilities are wider neck angle or higher doming.
Is the action too high or can you can play it normally?
Thanks for that, the action is spot on now, I'm just thinking ahead if the top pulls up with time there's not much saddle to adjust
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by John Stone » Sat May 06, 2017 4:56 am

Beautiful work!
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Zebulon Turrentine » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:53 pm

Nice looking top. What kind of spruce is it?

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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by simonm » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:03 pm

Jon Gillard wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 3:15 pm

Thanks for that, the action is spot on now, I'm just thinking ahead if the top pulls up with time there's not much saddle to adjust
I have used the same plan just once so far. The way the top is curved used the solera hight at the back suggests to me that the top is very unlikely to pull up. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Jon Gillard » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:12 pm

Zebulon Turrentine wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:53 pm
Nice looking top. What kind of spruce is it?
Italian spruce yes a lovely top
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Re: 2nd guitar

Post by Stuart Christie » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:47 pm

In he text of his book Jose Romanillos mentions that he sets his guitars up with 5mm and 4mm at the 12th fret for low and high E respectively. I made one from his plan last year, and adapted the setup for my preferred lower action of 4mm and 3mm. If you build to that plan, then string it up for this lower action, the saddle will be 2mm lower than intended. There is no mention of this on the plan.
Your guitar looks great.

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