Dirck Nagy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:16 pm
Michael.N. wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:12 am
As for violinists, the vast majority of classical violinists do not use fine tuners (apart from the E string). In fact it's very rare.
it's not that rare at all:
Gidon Kremer, David Oistrakh, Anne-Sophie Mutter:
The E string on the violin needs a tuner, everyone uses it. Gut strings don't work correctly with fine tuners really, so you see tail pieces without tuners on gut strung instruments.
In bowed string playing you see many tail pieces that have four fine tuners, there are brands of tail pieces made with synthetic products that have molded in fine tuners. These are especially good for students, kids, and even some pro players use them, especially cellists who use steel string set ups.
Comparing the tension on the violin to high tension strings on a guitar is kind of odd, I don't get where that comparison logically goes, these are two distinct systems. There's no reliable correlation between the amount of friction in violin pegs on a violin and the friction of guitar pegs on the guitar for which ever tension strings. Pegs slipping is not really about a failure of the friction needed to hold the pegs on either a guitar or a violin. Slipping pegs are not prepared correctly or need a touch up of peg compound, or that thee has been a radical weather change and the peg box and peg being made of different woods are expanding and contracting at a different rate. Not super common if you take care of your gear. If you are on top of your instrument and keep it in good working order these problems are dealt with.
As for a guitar coming unwound, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a violin could also have a catastrophic structural failure during a performance. Bridges have collapsed, tailguts have popped,tuners have worked loose and wobbled out, pegs slip, seams pop open... a lot of things could go wrong. What is the worst structural failure you've ever seen a classical guitarist have on stage? A broken string? A violin can potentially explode if one component breaks.
I give violin tension vs. guitar a false comparison rating
As for pegs being difficult to tune there's a skill curve, but once you get good at it, not hard to tune.
Audiences, well here is the opportunity to have a pause and tell the audience about the guitar and that it has pegs. The performer gets an interaction, can introduce the music, create a teaching moment with the audience by saying wood pegs take a little care tuning, and more often than not the audience watches with great interest. It's a bit of how you carry ourself stage if you have trouble.
Gearing allows for finer tuning? I not entirely convinced of this. Machines make it easier in general, but fine tuning can be done with 1:1 turn ratio, geared pegs are 4:1 and they work just fine for careful tuning. Most gears are 14:1 and some are overkill at 16:1 - If players can manage at 4:1 how much more skill and ear does to take to fine tune with 1:1?
The violin with one fine tuner for the E string that has no tuners on the other strings tune up just fine with 1:1 ratio on the peg.
I don't understand artists that have to be so cool on stage that a bit of tuning is problematic. A violinist will walk out on stage and check the tuning, and if it has changed will stop and retune and everyone one just relaxes and waits. It's music, it's not perfect, we're not machines.