Yes I believe my Ramirez 1A was (it's now sold) a good example. In comparison with the Japanese copies I tried, I would not say it sounded "better", only different, it had softer trebles and a more "earthy" sound to it. Some 1A sounds fantastic, some doesn't, they can differ quite much to my understanding.630mm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:10 pmJon, do you think your 1a is a very good one or a representative sample? You would probably be one of the best qualified to make a comparison. Maybe I'm being a bit over optimistic shooting for a 1a sound without buying a 1a/2a.
Has anyone compared the box resonances between the 1as and copies? My Yamaha Grand Concerts all have box frequencies between G# and A. They sound great, balanced and bright, but they lack the bass and the roundness in the trebles I'm looking for when playing spanish music.
Sorry I can't answer with certainty. I think it was from the 70's, indian rosewood, and I don't know the scale but it seemed to have decent playability. I have smaller than average hands but I currently play on a 660 scale without issue.
I agree. Finding a sound characteristic you like, and then buying guitars over the internet in order to achieve it, seems like a risky/difficult proposition. I like to look at it as I am just trying to increase my odds with good information.rinneby wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:32 amI think its hard to look for the "Ramirez" sound simply because: What is the true (if any) Ramirez sound?
My advice is to look for a guitar that makes you happy when you play it, rather than hunt for the particular sound of a 1A, whatever that is...
With that said you are on the right track with guitars from: Matano, Cervantes, Yairi and Matsuoka. I would also like to add Asturias (70s to early 80s) to that list, just because they almost always sounds and plays good.
All the best
Thanks for the benefit of your 1a experience. I ended up winning a '76 Matano 600 and it seems like it will be a great guitar for spanish music. It is light in weight with good rich basses with some low end, good mid range presence/resonance without being overly muddy, and round and warm trebles. The harmonics are also surprisingly good.JohnH* wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:17 pmUntil recently, I owned a 1973 Ramirez 1a stamped "CLL" inside. I can agree whole heartedly with Jon when he noted that they can (and do!) sound quite differently from one to another. Mine had all the negative attributes often associated with guitars from the Ramirez "Golden Years": high action, clubby neck, difficult neck angle... in short, it was a beast to play and, to be honest, it didn't even sound very good. I replaced it with a 1991 Yairi CY140. Not sure where it fits in today's Yairi lineup, but in 2007 the CY140 and the CYM95 were Yairi's top guitars and both were Ramirez-based. Others in the lineup had Torres-style bracing. Mine is a beautiful guitar with solid Rio-grained and spider webbed rosewood back and sides and a very fine grained cedar top. It's sound is everything I had hoped the Ramirez would be and it is far more comfortable to play.
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