Scottish spruce

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Scottish spruce

Post by geoff-bristol » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:00 pm

Since Scotland has a lot of picea albies - does anyone have any sources for local grown Scottish spruce - either as log, billet etc or more dedicated tonewood supplies.
Searching finds little - except a Scottish based tonewood supplier importing from spain !

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by mitch lees » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:24 am

I live in Scotland, and I cannot help! But if we can find a supplier I would be very interested too. May be Michael Ritchie would know. I will email him.

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by Pete Beer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:37 pm

I also live in Scotland. The conifers in the big forestry plantations grow incredibly quickly. You would almost be talking inches per grainline rather than the usual way around. I have certainly seen plenty of it with 15mm between grains. Close grain isn't everything but still.

There may be trees grown in other settings (like old Victorian parks or gardens) that were a bit slower growing, and occasionally some of these may get converted into timber. Even then, the chances of them being converted in a way suitable for tops would be pretty slim. There are two timber merchants I can think of who specialise in Scottish grown timber. I'll see if I can find their details. Best bet would probably be to tell them what you need and they can look out for suitable trees to cut accordingly. Expect all that to take a while though.

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by Pete Beer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:40 pm

***Commercial link removed*** Mod edit: The Wood Place

This is one of them. Right now I can't remember the other.

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by Pete Beer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:26 pm

The other one I think is "Brodies Timber". Up in Perthshire somewhere.

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btw- as far as I know the vast majority of confiers in Scotland are Sitka Spruce.

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by geoff-bristol » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:34 pm

Ah well - just a thought !
Just seems to have a lot of trees - a lot of high ground - and cold winters.

Maybe not the same cold as alpine areas. One needs that very tight, very abrupt, regular cold dry winter period - to eliminate late growth. Add to that - a commercial interest to actually process the wood correctly. Without good woodmen who know and care what they are producing we have nothing.

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by Pete Beer » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:18 am

On the West coast here, in an average year, you can count the number of days that the two main ski resorts open all runs on your fingers.

That should give some idea of the difference between our winter and that in the Alps. It feels cold, because you are wet through! East is colder and drier, but still not alpine.

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Re: Scottish spruce

Post by John higgon » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:51 pm

Pete Beer wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:18 am
On the West coast here, in an average year, you can count the number of days that the two main ski resorts open all runs on your fingers.

That should give some idea of the difference between our winter and that in the Alps. It feels cold, because you are wet through! East is colder and drier, but still not alpine.

Pete
Pete's right. I live in SW Scotland and I can't remember the last time we had a decent spell of snow. The ski resorts are having a hard time of it, and the highest mountains in Scotland don't compare with the Alps. We even have palm trees in parts of Galloway! There is plenty of Sitka, but very fast growing. A few years ago I wrote to an academic in Edinburgh about tonewood, and he suggested that it might be possible to select slow-growing trees and use them for 'breeding', if that's the right word. But that's as far as the conversation went. I suspect that the forestry people are quite happy to grow it fast and sell it to the construction industry. Our whisky is very good, though.

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