Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by es335 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:06 am

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For a guitar that is almost as old as I am that 1962 is in remarkable condition. A 30T must have been a top end guitar for that day. Does that mean the guitar was sold for 30,000 yen in 1962? I think in 1962 the exchange rate for yen/$ was 400 yen, maybe more but not less (MPC script may have been the valid US monetary exchange but I'll go with 400 Yen as my final answer). That's $75. At some point the exchange rate was revised to 360 Yen/$ so the guitar would have been $83.34. Still pretty cheap but this was in 1962 dollars. Just for historical awareness the rate of exchange was for many years and remained at 360 Yen/$ until after 1972 when Nixon removed the $ from the gold standard. Enough of history, if I am to add another guitar to my collection it will be a vintage Kohno hopefully as nice as this one.

And yes, the information about detuning is exactly what I needed to know. Thanks for the help. I did not want to detune my guitars every day.
The price was calculated from the model number x 10.000 yen!

Not sure if this applied to your early model already and if not when it had been introduced!
Anyway congrats to this very nice old guitar! :D

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:20 am

es335 wrote:
Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:06 am
The price was calculated from the model number x 10.000 yen!

Not sure if this applied to your early model already and if not when it had been introduced!
Anyway congrats to this very nice old guitar! :D
This is true to the later models no.3,4,5 and so on, but (as you say) I'm not sure about the early ones. Anyway, it was probably 30.000-40.000 yen.

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by musguitar » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:24 am

James A. Showalter wrote:
Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:56 am
For a guitar that is almost as old as I am that 1962 is in remarkable condition. A 30T must have been a top end guitar for that day.
Apparently, 30T was the top model for that year. Indeed it is in a remarkable condition. Either the former owners loved this guitar, and of course, Masaru Kono built outstanding guitars two years after he apprenticed with Arcangel in Spain.

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by musguitar » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:26 am

es335 wrote:
Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:06 am

Not sure if this applied to your early model already and if not when it had been introduced!
Anyway congrats to this very nice old guitar! :D
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by beanctr » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:56 pm

Kohno question,

My 1987 Pro J has half laminated sides, is that common?
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:25 pm

beanctr wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:56 pm
Kohno question,

My 1987 Pro J has half laminated sides, is that common?
Never seen anything like it on a Kohno. Interesting to say the least. What does the guitar look like from the outside?

/Jon
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by James A. Showalter » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:09 am

"My 1987 Pro J has half laminated sides, is that common?"

The construction is very similar to my 2014 Sakurai Pro-J but the vertical bracing which is offset and extends to ~40% line are different. The interior wedge bracing is very similar to my 2014 Pro-J but those verticals actually extend past each other to ~60% on the modern guitar.

Does the style of bracing match other older Kohno's and the laminate is the only uniqueness?

Is this a Sakurai or Masaru Kohno? Could this be part of the experimental concepts that Masaki Sakurai brought after he got more involved?

That doesn't make sense though since the Pro-J was an original Masaru Kohno design.
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by es335 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:50 am

Haven't seen this before as well. Nether half lamite nor the shorter vertical braces, which isn't an issue IMHO as they are actually securing the ends of the top and back cross bars.

On my 2004 Pro-J and recently aquired 1978 No 30 they are quite similar extending over app. 60% of the width of the sides. Looks like beanctr owns a quite unique Pro-J! Congrats! :D

Anyway the Pro-Js from the Kohno times up to early 2000 are different because they feature a different top bracing. Initially the well known parallel bracing was used which Kohno introduced in the 70's. Newer Pro-Js feature a kind of double lattice bracing, which is said to originate from Masaru Kohno but had been reserved for the top model Maestro. Don't know when Masaki Sakurai unified the Kohno line bracing but my Pro-J from 2004 features this Maestro bracing already.

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by beanctr » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:04 pm

Maybe because of the dramatic sides? R
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:14 pm

beanctr wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:04 pm
Maybe because of the dramatic sides? R
Looks like "double sides" - Ramirez style maybe? The inside doesn't match the outside.

/Jon
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by eno » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:12 pm

I'm in the club too, I got a Kohno 1967 (from the year he won the competition). A superb guitar with a wide range of tones, from very dark and deep if I play above the rosette to very shiny and crystal if I play closer to the bridge. Overall the tone is warm and seductive. Also very easy to play.
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Guitar-ded » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:38 pm

beanctr,
Nice guitar.
Do you think the half lamination might be because he was worried that the side wood in your last picture might crack at some point in the future and so he put in a bit of support to help prevent this?
That'd be my take on the lamination.
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by beanctr » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:57 pm

Guitar-ded wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:38 pm
beanctr,
Nice guitar.
Do you think the half lamination might be because he was worried that the side wood in your last picture might crack at some point in the future and so he put in a bit of support to help prevent this?
That'd be my take on the lamination.


That was my thought. Its a great guitar, I really like it, Rick
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Grooveman JS » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:35 am

rinneby wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:14 pm
beanctr wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:04 pm
Maybe because of the dramatic sides? R
Looks like "double sides" - Ramirez style maybe? The inside doesn't match the outside.

/Jon
Hi beanctr i agree with Jon; it does look like double sides.......maybe a special make by the original owner; the Kohno shop does offer customisations upon request as well.
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Grooveman JS » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:36 am

eno wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:12 pm
I'm in the club too, I got a Kohno 1967 (from the year he won the competition). A superb guitar with a wide range of tones, from very dark and deep if I play above the rosette to very shiny and crystal if I play closer to the bridge. Overall the tone is warm and seductive. Also very easy to play.
Congrats & welcome to the club; I'm sure you'll enjoy your instrument in the days to come. :bravo:
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