Best tuning machines?

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Best tuning machines?

Post by JLV » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:39 pm

Hi all,

According to your experience, what are the best tuning machines for a classical guitar?

All the best,

Jean-Luc, Montpellier (south of France)

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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by kurt guitar » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:34 pm

I wish I knew the name and or maker but the best tuning machines I have encountered are on the high end jacobson guitars. Jacobson makes all high end guitars though.

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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by Brian Brogan » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:35 pm

How much do you want to spend? $50 - $1000+. That will help with advice. Cheers

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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by James Lister » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:00 pm

1. Rodgers
2. Alessi
3. Graf
4. Robson

(of those that I have used)

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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by bacsidoan » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:47 pm

I have used Rodgers, Alessi, Graf, Sloane, Reischl-Landstorfer, Gilbert, Scheller, Gotoh premium.
Based on my experiences:

Best aesthetics: Rodgers
Best mechanics: Relatively new comer Scheller of Germany: Spartan look but very precise, all the rotary parts are equipped with true ball bearings.
Best for the money: Gilbert

If money is no object than the over all winner in my book is Rodgers (with self-centering roller option)

JLV

Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by JLV » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:03 pm

Thanks for your input.

For this special matter, money is no object.
I will check this brands on the web.
I already saw Rodgers and Graf but it does'nt seem that there is a french dealer.
The only ones I used on this list are Sloane.

All the best,

Jean-Luc, Montpellier

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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by kurt guitar » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:10 pm

The ones jacobson use, just found out in the last hour, fifteen hundred dollars.

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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by Guitar-ded » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:59 pm

kurt guitar wrote:The ones jacobson use, just found out in the last hour, fifteen hundred dollars.
Do you know what make these are?
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Re: Best tunings machines?

Post by kurt guitar » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:23 pm

Guitar-ded wrote:
kurt guitar wrote:The ones jacobson use, just found out in the last hour, fifteen hundred dollars.
Do you know what make these are?
Rodgers. Fifteen hundred for the pair. They are aestetically acclaimed.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by brian » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:10 am

gilberts are a bargain, nice and smooth
and can be adjusted.
plus, i like the look.
if at first you don't succeed try again.
then quit.
there's no use being a damn fool about it.
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by Aaron Green » Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:53 pm

Rodgers hands down. Best customer service too, absolutely world class.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by rounie » Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:52 pm

Hi Guys,

I vote for Alessi-but would a thumbs up for Scheller and Freewheel (they are being made again)...why is no one mentioning Freewheel?

Can someone enlighten me :)
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Best tuning machines?

Post by sha » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:39 pm

bacsidoan wrote:I have used Rodgers, Alessi, Graf, Sloane, Reischl-Landstorfer, Gilbert, Scheller, Gotoh premium.
Based on my experiences:

Best aesthetics: Rodgers
Best mechanics: Relatively new comer Scheller of Germany: Spartan look but very precise, all the rotary parts are equipped with true ball bearings.
Best for the money: Gilbert

If money is no object than the over all winner in my book is Rodgers (with self-centering roller option)
Fully agree! Rodgers best looking, Scheller best working machines. Guess you have to make up your mind whether you are superficial and only go for the looks or care more about the inner values;-)

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by ben etow » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:54 am

rounie wrote:Hi Guys,

I vote for Alessi-but would a thumbs up for Scheller and Freewheel (they are being made again)...why is no one mentioning Freewheel?

Can someone enlighten me :)
Hi,

Are the Freewheel being made again? Knut Welsch died a few weeks ago... Indeed the best I have had (very very smooth and precise), better than the Rodgers I had and better than Savarez Exagon (only tried guitars with Alessi, Gilbert, Sloane... Neither Graf, nor Scheller as far as I know).
Just read the thread, that's why...

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by Julian » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:58 am

I use/ have used Rodgers, Alessi, Reischl, Robson, Gotoh Premium, Sloane.

Rodgers Alessi Reischl Robson Gotoh Sloane

1. Mechanic A + AA A AA A AA
2. Esthetic AAA AA A - A A B
3. Durability all excellent (10+ years easy)
4. Service AA A n/a CCC n/a n/a
5. Replacement easy easy n/a n/a very easy n/a
6. Precision all excellent
7. Price can be obtained form the net

The above is based on my judgement. Others may find it differently.

Rodgers turns very easy (something like driving a Toyota), but the rest is like driving a European car. Reischl if not maintained regularly, is extremely hard to turn. To solve this, I clean and apply WD-40 with cottonbud everytime I replace the strings. Once cleant and applied with WD-40, it turns smoothly and feels much lighter. Robson is one of finest, but it is extremely difficult to communicate and unresponsive. Rob Rodgers is very charming , accommodating and responsive. I have 4 Rodgers. The oldest one is 32 years (attached to my Kohno No.50 circa 1981) and is still working well.

Another finest tuning machine is made by Jorg Graf, the brother a very fine luthier Oskar Graf. I don't own this Graf tuning machine, but by judging its look, it is at par with Rodgers. Mechanically, I have no words on that.

But there are other fine tuning machines costing easily above $100 which I have no knowledge on i.e. Graham Macey, Exagon, Fustero, Gilbert etc.

All of my guitars have premium tuning machines. I think tuning machine helps to enhance the apperance of the guitar. It is like a car with a sport wheel. It looks fast even driving slow.

Julian
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