Best tuning machines?

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by ChristianSchwengeler » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:48 pm

Just run into these from Barber in Valencia, They are made in Taiwan, Barber sells them for about 150 euros, I guess ex VAT. They look good and promising. Any experiendce with it?? The name is Perona tuners. made in taiwan - put perhaps you know that Taiwan is very diferent from China.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by Philipp Lerche » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:30 pm

They look good Christian !

Reminds me a bit of the Rubners I recently had to order for my new custom build.
Does these white spindles actually have a bearing ?

Here's a picture of Rubner Superior 160€ but not exatcly the ones I ordered though.
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by ChristianSchwengeler » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:33 am

Philipp Lerche wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:30 pm
They look good Christian !

Reminds me a bit of the Rubners I recently had to order for my new custom build.
Does these white spindles actually have a bearing ?

Here's a picture of Rubner Superior 160€ but not exatcly the ones I ordered though.
Yes they have bearings. Personally I had some issues with the ebony knobs on the Rubners, even if the tuners work smoth, the handles have some play which is not so nice, but it is not the superior series, just the special series with the teflon, even like that not so happy about it.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by rinneby » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:29 pm

Today I ordered a pair of Schellers, 4-5 weeks waiting time:

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and pair of Perona just for the fun of it, coming next week:

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by rojarosguitar » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:54 pm

Recently I gained experience with Rodgers. Beautifully looking and well made, but I cant find any significant difference in working as compared to Alessi. I also now have Sloane and they are also excellent.
So my list would now be:
Rodges/Alessi/Sloan (almost same)
Gilbert (weird look but great function)
Reischl
Baljak
Rubner
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by gabasa » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:41 am

rojarosguitar wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:54 pm
So my list would now be:
Rodges/Alessi/Sloan (almost same)
Gilbert (weird look but great function)
Reischl
Baljak
Rubner
Gotoh
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by Zen » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:01 am

I’ve found Rodgers quite superior to Sloane...
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by petermc61 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:53 am

Zen wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:01 am
I’ve found Rodgers quite superior to Sloane...
+1. I regard Klaus Scheller and Rodgers as the standouts.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by ChristianSchwengeler » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:50 am

rinneby wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:29 pm



and pair of Perona just for the fun of it, coming next week:


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I am curious about the Perona and you should report when they arrive.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by petermc61 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:11 am

I have never heard of Perona. Where are they made?

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by gjo » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:24 am

petermc61 wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:53 am
Zen wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:01 am
I’ve found Rodgers quite superior to Sloane...
+1. I regard Klaus Scheller and Rodgers as the standouts.
+ 1

Recently I tried the Schaller GrandTune Classical tuners and I found them quite good for the money. I would prefer them over the Perona tuners.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by Michael.N. » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:43 am

The Schaller grandtunes are good, at least in terms of function. You reach a certain point in performance when things are perfectly good enough and it just becomes a matter of aesthetic taste. The one thing that I do really like about the Sloanes is that they have a narrow plate and of course they are meant to turn with a little more resistance than other tuners.
Given that these Perona's are made in Taiwan maybe it's Madinters special order from Der Jung?
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by petermc61 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:31 am

Michael

Sure there is a point of ‘good enough’ for most people, but it’s just not aesthetic taste beyond that. The feel and function of a Scheller or Rodgers set is just nicer than most. More than aesthetics in my view.

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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by Michael.N. » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:23 pm

Depends what you call nice. I rather like and prefer the increased friction that the Sloanes exhibit, some people think that makes them unsmooth. I don't. I just think that it gives them a different but stiffer feel. It's not the lumpy or the loose feel that some of the very cheap tuners exhibit. They don't have the teflon bearing so I guess they rely on the precision of the fit between worm screw, the posts and the gear. In that sense they are like the old fashioned tuners but with extremely good tolerances. The plates are cast so they don't have the engraving quality of the high end tuners.
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Re: Best tuning machines?

Post by SeanWinkler » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:21 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:11 am
I have never heard of Perona. Where are they made?
Taiwan
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