[PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

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[PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by robinfw » Fri May 30, 2014 11:28 am

Here is a gem I found in the Metodo Completo by Antonio Cano.
I know it is not perfect but take a look. Also the midi output from musescore to get an idea of what it might sound like.
Antonio Cano Exercise 6 for right hand.pdf
I will post in our recordings of classical music forum.

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by Fabbri » Sat May 31, 2014 8:17 am

Well spotted. Good exercise as well as an enjoyable piece of music. Cano is full of surprises. Have you found any more as good as this one?

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by Schneider » Sat May 31, 2014 10:42 am

robinfw wrote:[...] I know it is not perfect but take a look. [...]
Hi robinfw,
Yep, 'seems that you'll have to work a little on stem directions :wink:
Please also note that the middle voice has a strange rythmic which is close to a sextolet but not exactly due to the fact that, from time to time, 16th notes should be played together with sextolet notes.
I don't know how you could handle this with MuseScore (actually I don't know MuseScore) but it is certainly not the way you wrote it :
CanoEjercicio6.png
HTH,
Pierre
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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by robinfw » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:05 am

Thank you for the comments.


At present I am looking into r.h. ex 5.
All of the exercises seem to have intricate and interesting rhythms.
More later hopefully.




I first wrote this into MuseScore so as to hear what it would sound like.
Little did I know what a problem that middle voice would give me.
The stem direction is no problem. I used the voice three for the lower voice and later realized that voice four was the correct one to use .
No big thing there. But I suggest that people should refer to the to the original source found here. I see now I missed
the circled notes and 4th position notation.

The only way I could get MuseScore to give me what I wanted was to use
sixteenth rests and not share the upper and middle voices where the indicated stems were both up and down.
And settle for a sixteenth note at the end of some measures.
Which can sound into the next measure.
Looking at the original score there is no way I can understand all the eighth rests and notes adding up.
I would really like to hear someone explain that.
I tried various combinations and this is the
best sounding result so far.
Am open to any suggestions.
Would be nice to time travel back and hear the man play this as he intended.

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by Schneider » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:14 am

robinfw wrote:[...] Looking at the original score there is no way I can understand all the eighth rests and notes adding up.
I would really like to hear someone explain that.
I tried various combinations and this is the best sounding result so far.
Am open to any suggestions.
Would be nice to time travel back and hear the man play this as he intended.
Hi robinfw,
Let's take mes.5 as an example :
mes.5.png
Cano wants the student to understand that 16th notes and last sextolet notes should be played together.
In other words, 8th dotted notes should last a little shorter and 16th notes slightly longer.
It's obvious on mes.7 :
mes.7.png
This morning I took a look at Ejercicio 5 where you'll find exactly the same rythmic formula.
If that can helps I can send you a midi file by PM so (maybe) you could import it into MuseScore.
Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by robinfw » Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:29 am

This morning I took a look at Ejercicio 5 where you'll find exactly the same rhythm formula.
If that can helps I can send you a midi file by PM so (maybe) you could import it into MuseScore.
Cheers,
Pierre


Thanks for clarifying the notation.
There is notation and then there is notation in MuseScore but in the end each player will play it their own way I think.
I did try using triplets and sextuplets but that did not give a satisfying sound file output.
As I said it is not perfect but I think it gives an idea of the rhythm.

Does the midi file you have give a much different rhythm?
Of course you could PM to me but if you have Audacity you could do what I will do which is to load it into Audacity and export it as mp3 file and then upload it to the forum. But then again it would be interesting to see it in MuseScore.

Does that make sense?

Up to you.
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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by robinfw » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:17 am

Oops. Sorry. I was wrong about that.
It was a wav file that I used before and not a midi.
The midi files do not render well in MuseScore.
Oh well.

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by Blake » Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:07 pm

Pierre has done a great job of interpreting the music. It is annoying that the composer is asking that a triplet 8th note that has a duration of one third of a beat be equated with a sixteenth note which has a duration of one quarter of a beat, but that is the usual interpretation of the music. If you try playing is read strictly, it is unsettling.

Very interesting discussion.

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by robinfw » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:48 am

I am as confused as ever.
I am certainly not a musician per se.
Are the so called triplets and sextuplets mentioned before implied?
Are they supposed to be understood by people?
I see no reference to them in the score.
And no matter if or not will someone show how to add up the rests
and notes. No matter if they are triplets, sextuplets or eighth notes.
I understand two half notes per measure. Four quarter notes per measure.
Eight eighth notes per measure. Etc. So wouldn't there be four sets of triplets? And then there are the rests to account for. As I said I'm not
a pro nor do I have a degree in anything. But I have read a lot of scores.
As far as I can remember they always add up. So my education may be somewhat lacking and someone could fill in the blank space I'm missing.

At first I thought the original score was not written correctly. But that
can't be. Right? Then maybe the publisher got it wrong? I don't know.
Is it corrupted somehow?
Then I thought could it possibly be me? Well from past experience that was
the problem.
So I posted here and am still waiting to see the light.

Thanking all who have replied and those yet to.

Cheers

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by Fabbri » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:05 am

Cheer up, Robinfw! Playing the guitar is supposed to be a pleasure.

There are two things we can do with a score: one, try to render it exactly as the composer intended; two, use it as the basis for an enjoyable excursion into music-making. Cano is a good example of a composer who offers interesting ideas that can be developed in various ways. OK, so it sounds a bit arrogant and disrespectful to muck about with the great composers - but they don't really turn in their graves. Look at the way they pinched each other ideas, and re-worked their own for different markets. Enjoy!

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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by Schneider » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:03 am

Blake wrote:[...] If you try playing is read strictly, it is unsettling. [...]
Hi Blake,
Thanks for pointing this out :wink:
robinfw wrote:[...] Are the so called triplets and sextuplets mentioned before implied? [...]
No they arn't.
robinfw wrote:[...] Are they supposed to be understood by people?
I see no reference to them in the score. [...]
Yes indeed.
robinfw wrote:[...] So wouldn't there be four sets of triplets? [...]
Equal 2 sets of sextolets : in this case the middle voice goes with the bass half notes.
Fabbri wrote:[...] Enjoy!
+1 :)
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Re: [PDF] Cano, Antonio - Exercise 6 for right hand

Post by robinfw » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:01 am

CanoEx6.pdf
A more clean pdf of original.
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