Sor Op. 6/02 measure 18 (last measure) triad question

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rclay

Sor Op. 6/02 measure 18 (last measure) triad question

Post by rclay » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:30 pm

I am working on Estudio 3 (Sor Op. 6, No. 2) from the Segovia edition of "Twenty Studies for the Guitar" with my teacher.

The first two eight notes in the last measure make up a triad consisting of A, D, and G# (from low note to high note). This triad doesn't seem to fit well in the music, and we are wondering if there is a wrong note here. The combination of the A on the third string and the G# on the first string does not sound right. Older publications of the same study have the same triad. We are are wondering if Sor really wrote this triad, or if he did write it, was it intentional or a mistake.

There are several places in the music where Sor uses a triad consisting of B, D, and G# which is a 7th chord. We are not sure if this should be used instead.

Bob

edgradwell

Re: Sor Op. 6/02 measure 18 (last measure) triad question

Post by edgradwell » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:56 am

Hi Bob

I've had a good look at the piece in question and I must confess that it all seems perfectly in order to me. The G# resolves up to A (no problem there). The D drops half a step to C# (again no problem). The A moves down an octave to the low A, echoing what the E does at the end of the first part. I've tried using a B instead of the A and to me this doesn't sound right at all. Perhaps someone with a better technical understanding of harmony than I could explain it more fully, but I personally don't think that there is anything to worry about.

Ed

rclay

Re: Sor Op. 6/02 measure 18 (last measure) triad question

Post by rclay » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:50 am

Hello Ed

Thank you for taking the time to look at this. I guess my ear has to get used to this.

Bob

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Re: Sor Op. 6/02 measure 18 (last measure) triad question

Post by Smith » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:36 pm

Yes, 'wrong notes' in the Twenty Studies--familiar ground to the isolated amateur such as myself. I don't know how many times I've caught myself misinterpreting the text as written, even now, 30 years after starting my study of them. When I began learning them I would often say to the page " That's impossible! Nobody could play that. That's got to be a misprint". Still, I worked at it and it gradually became clear.
As Bob Dylan says: "I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now"

arpisma

Re: Sor Op. 6/02 measure 18 (last measure) triad question

Post by arpisma » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:42 pm

There's nothing wrong. D is a suspension from the previous chord and it resolves to C#. G# is the leading tone, and it's a retardation or if you prefer a suspension that resolves upwards to the tonic. A is the tonic. If you want just play the 2 last bars not with broken chords, just the chords and it'll feel righter to you. Also play the A at the 5th string (open), not at the G string, and you'll get it even better. Of course then play it as written!

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