Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

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Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by richardph » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:07 pm

So, I use to have a cassette recording of a Barouque Suite that I taped off of John Schneider's
"Soundboard" radio show on KPFK back in the late '70's. I lost all the content info that was printed
on the sleeve, I always thought the composer was S.L.Weiss, but was never sure. When I was studying
with Philip Rosheger, I expressed and interest in learning it, so I played him the tape. He WAS pretty sure
it sounded like Weiss, but was not certain. He brought in a big book of Weiss manuscrpits, but we could not locate
it. 30 years later, I no longer can locate the tape, but the music still haunts, especially the movement that sounds like
a Courante form. I've check every Courante from the Weiss works that I could find, to no avail. I don't know,
maybe it's not Weiss? maybe it's not a Courante? Anyway, I'd like to find it before I,,,well, you know. Here's a short
clip of how I remember this movement. I don't even think it repeats like I do here, it starts some sort of development,
but these few bars will give you the idea. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you Delcampers!
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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by David_Norton » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:57 pm

I've looked through my Weiss books as well, not found a match to this. It certainly sounds like a courante.
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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by Scot Tremblay » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:01 am

I think it sounds like Ernst Gottleib Baron but I have no idea which suite. Look in Les manuscripts de Bruxelles if you can find a copy on line. Might be there.
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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by richardph » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:34 am

Thanks David for your research, and Scot for your lead. I'll follow
up on your suggestion and let you know what I find:-)

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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by Schneider » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:07 am

Hi Rich,

Reminds me a courante from François Campion named "Les Délices". The construction is pretty close.
Maybe you could look into his direction also.

Anyway, here's a quick transcritption of your performance, if that can help to recognize the score :roll:
Courante.jpg
Cheers,
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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by Schneider » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:48 am

Just an idea : have you tried to googlize this site : http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/ as an advanced search with the word "courante" ?
But, ok, 'could be a long run ... :roll:

Good luck,
Pierre

[EDIT]
richardph wrote:[...] I always thought the composer was S.L.Weiss, but was never sure. When I was studying
with Philip Rosheger, I expressed and interest in learning it, so I played him the tape. He WAS pretty sure
it sounded like Weiss, but was not certain. [...]
Do you think that this part could end on an E chord so it could sound more Weissy ?
Something like :
CouranteFin.png
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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by Schneider » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:10 pm

I went up into the attic and found a Stradivarius and a Rembrandt.
Unfortunately Stradivarius was a terrible painter and Rembrandt made lousy violins.

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Re: Please help me ID this piece (Courante?)

Post by richardph » Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:49 am

think it sounds like Ernst Gottleib Baron but I have no idea which suite. Look in Les manuscripts de Bruxelles if you can find a copy on line. Might be there
Lot's of good stuff there Scot....REALLY sounds like the same style, but I didn't find it in the Suites listed. Thanks for the source however!!
Pretty close Pierre, but not the piece that's embedded in my memory.
The Campion stuff is splendid as well but I didn't locate is there either.

My search continues, but i'm truly grateful for the new sources, Scot and Pierre.
I might try to locate that original cassette...could take a few hours of listening. I'm confident that I didn't "compose" alternate
versions in my head over the years...but, you never know.

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