UPDATE: On Unknown Recording

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Sun May 24, 2015 12:26 am

mc1 wrote:there it is! good job!

i listened, and i have no idea what piece it is. :D
mc1 wrote:there it is! good job!

i listened, and i have no idea what piece it is. :D
Thanks anyway, now it bothers me more! It's like you have to have it and I am sure if it is from just after I started classical guitar it probably is a simple piece.

Again thanks for the offer to attach the file for me.

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by mc1 » Sun May 24, 2015 1:31 am

someone will recognize it, i'm sure.

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by Paul Janssen » Sun May 24, 2015 1:46 am

It's not familiar to me. Have you trawled through your old method books? Sounds like the sort of piece that would be in book 1 of some sort of method book.

It's a pity about the recording quality. It doesn't sound like an overly difficult piece and it's probably the sort of tune that someone could transcribe if the recording was better (unfortunately it's not easy to decipher all the bass notes as they distort too much).

Good luck.

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Sun May 24, 2015 2:48 am

Paul Janssen wrote:It's not familiar to me. Have you trawled through your old method books? Sounds like the sort of piece that would be in book 1 of some sort of method book.
It's a pity about the recording quality. It doesn't sound like an overly difficult piece and it's probably the sort of tune that someone could transcribe if the recording was better (unfortunately it's not easy to decipher all the bass notes as they distort too much). Good luck.
Paul,

I felt like it might be one of my first pieces or not long after. I have gone through a few books with no luck. I thought someone would recognize it because its a catchy tune. It is easy to it a note at a time, but surely it's more than that.

I will take another look!

Thanks,

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Mon May 25, 2015 11:54 pm

Denian Arcoleo wrote:I think what you have there is a classic recording, quite rare too, of 4.33 by John Cage.
Denian,

Sorry for the late reply, but I thought it was warranted. What's the joke - I am musically challenged, do I have to go that deep?

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by mc1 » Tue May 26, 2015 12:09 am

hi alan,

i think he was just making a little joke because there was no sound file in your initial post.

i went through a bunch of music books looking for it but i didn't have any luck.

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Tue May 26, 2015 1:05 am

I now have a proper 30 second mp3 of the piece, please help!

Thanks,

Alan
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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Tue May 26, 2015 3:12 am

mc1 wrote:hi alan,

i think he was just making a little joke because there was no sound file in your initial post.

i went through a bunch of music books looking for it but i didn't have any luck.


Thanks MC, I knew it was a joke I just wanted to reply!

Thanks for your effort looking!

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by pogmoor » Tue May 26, 2015 9:36 am

ashepps wrote:
Denian Arcoleo wrote:I think what you have there is a classic recording, quite rare too, of 4.33 by John Cage.
Denian,

Sorry for the late reply, but I thought it was warranted. What's the joke - I am musically challenged, do I have to go that deep?

Alan
For anyone not familiar with the piece:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Tue May 26, 2015 10:46 am

ashepps wrote:I came across an old tape recording that I had done 40 years ago. It a catchy tune, quite distorted. It appears to be a simple piece, perhaps even out of a beginners classical book.

I want to be able to ID it and learn to play it again. Sorry for the poor quality and distortion.

Thanks for any help!

Alan
No idea what it is, except either the tape is slow or the guitar a semi tone flat, and its in D tuning. Depending on the honesty of the book, its not a beginners' piece.
Maybe you like the idea for nostalgic reasons, but I'd think there's a host of much more interesting pieces available to you now, not least those available within this forum.

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Tue May 26, 2015 6:10 pm

Stephen Kenyon wrote:
No idea what it is, except either the tape is slow or the guitar a semi tone flat, and its in D tuning. Depending on the honesty of the book, its not a beginners' piece.
Maybe you like the idea for nostalgic reasons, but I'd think there's a host of much more interesting pieces available to you now, not least those available within this forum. Stephen
Stephen, thanks for at least responding and I agree the recording is out of whack, my tuning probably was out on a second or third year playing as I even have myself playing part of Recuerdos de la Alhambra (not well). I was never any good being recorded or watched!

I could forget this, but I have to have it! I know there are other things I can do, but I am the type that won't rest until I find it.

Thanks again Stephen.

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by ashepps » Tue May 26, 2015 6:18 pm

For anyone not familiar with the piece: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
Thanks Eric, at least I know where it comes from, but after losing nearly 300 views because of my inability to get the music posted I was just a little "testy" :)

I have asked the moderator if I can make another thread having it new may bring back those 300 people again. Now they will not bother to look at these postings and have lost them.

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UPDATE: On Unknown Recording

Post by ashepps » Tue May 26, 2015 6:29 pm

ashepps wrote:I came across an old tape recording that I had done 40 years ago. It a catchy tune, quite distorted. It appears to be a simple piece, perhaps even out of a beginners classical book. I want to be able to ID it and learn to play it again. Sorry for the poor quality and distortion.
Thanks for any help! Alan
Here is a workable mp3 of only 30 seconds, for all those 300 or so that came to the site if they can just try once againg to identify this tune it would be greatly appreciated!

Alan
30 seconds unknown piece.mp3
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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by mc1 » Wed May 27, 2015 2:33 pm

Stephen Kenyon wrote:No idea what it is, except either the tape is slow or the guitar a semi tone flat, and its in D tuning. Depending on the honesty of the book, its not a beginners' piece.
Maybe you like the idea for nostalgic reasons, but I'd think there's a host of much more interesting pieces available to you now, not least those available within this forum.

Stephen
stephen, what do you mean by D tuning? the recording is down a 1/2 tone, as you mention, but seems to start with a high D note (high E string, 10th fret), and then there is an F# note, which would normally be on the 4th fret of the D string. is this an open string for this piece? or are you just referring to the bottom string being tuned to D? in other words, do you think the guitar is tuned D-A-D-F#-A-D.

weren't there some early guitar tutors that used and open E tuning, which would be equivilent in the intervals (i.e. the same tuning up one tone)?

alan, what else can you remember about this piece?

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Re: Unknown Recording from 1976 to Identify

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed May 27, 2015 3:07 pm

mc1 wrote:[...
stephen, what do you mean by D tuning?
6th string = D
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