14-string classical guitar

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14-string classical guitar

Post by HNLim » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:16 pm

Oh dear! Now I am thinking of a 14-string guitar with this tuning.

CDEFGABCeadgbe. I am also thinking of adding sharping leavers on the bass strings. Any comments will be welcome.

Thank you.
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by Big bird » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:22 pm

Blurring the lines between a guitar and a harp..... Sounds interesting.......
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by HNLim » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:28 pm

Big bird wrote:Blurring the lines between a guitar and a harp..... Sounds interesting.......
That's why it is called a harp-guitar.
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by Big bird » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:23 pm

HNLim wrote:
Big bird wrote:Blurring the lines between a guitar and a harp..... Sounds interesting.......
That's why it is called a harp-guitar.
Really, wow.... :roll:
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by soltirefa » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:28 pm

HNLim wrote: Any comments will be welcome.

Thank you.
Stick to the 6-string. It's perfect.

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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by Jabberwocky » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:43 pm

You shouldn't stop at 14. Go 19-string and you get the black keys, too.

Why stop at 19? Go 88, stick on a keyboard and play it like a harpsichord.

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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by Jabberwocky » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:52 pm

You should really take a look at Michael Thames's Dresden guitar in Dminor tuning, Dieter Mūller's 11-string for Moran Wesser, Paul Bernabe's 10-string for Narcisco Yepes, David Rubio's 8-string for Paul Galbraith and Samuel Carvalho's 13-string alto guitar.

What kind of music do you hope to play with a 14-string tuned the way you suggest? A guitar has to suit its repertoire.

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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by HNLim » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:13 pm

soltirefa wrote:
HNLim wrote: Any comments will be welcome.

Thank you.
Stick to the 6-string. It's perfect.
If the 6-string is perfect, then why for some pieces, you need to drop E6 to D?
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by HNLim » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:16 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:You should really take a look at Michael Thames's Dresden guitar in Dminor tuning, Dieter Mūller's 11-string for Moran Wesser, Paul Bernabe's 10-string for Narcisco Yepes, David Rubio's 8-string for Paul Galbraith and Samuel Carvalho's 13-string alto guitar.

What kind of music do you hope to play with a 14-string tuned the way you suggest? A guitar has to suit its repertoire.
Yes I have taken a look at all these guitars for quite time and I still have some features of these guitars that I don't quite like.
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by HNLim » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:20 pm

I am more inclined to something like this minus the extra trebles and also slimmer headstock.

https://youtu.be/sAzKPdiqkGo

And also something like this.

https://youtu.be/YUlc-rQSWKc
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by Tom » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:06 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:You shouldn't stop at 14. Go 19-string and you get the black keys, too.

Why stop at 19? Go 88, stick on a keyboard and play it like a harpsichord.
I like your comment ...make perfect sense . Dun underestimate one day someone will make a 88 strings guitar.

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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by soltirefa » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:41 pm

HNLim wrote:
soltirefa wrote:
HNLim wrote: Any comments will be welcome.

Thank you.
Stick to the 6-string. It's perfect.
If the 6-string is perfect, then why for some pieces, you need to drop E6 to D?
It's perfect because you can lower E to D when you need to. Don't get me wrong. My comment was made tongue-in-cheek. I play both 10 and 11 string guitar. After doing so I am left with the impression that there's a reason that the 6-string is the predominant instrument. It's really the perfect number of strings. I look at adding more strings like adding more salt to a recipe. A little salt making a dish taste good does not mean more will make it even better. When you add more strings, at the same time you give up something. So I like mulit-string guitars, but I really appreciate how perfect the 6-string is now.

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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by kefroeschner » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:15 pm

I am planning a 12 string guitar based on an Ibanez AEL 4012S (which is 12 string but just doubled EAdgbe) The plan is to have 7 singles on the original fretboard with a lower D, probably, and the remaining five on an extension, like a theorbo, but not as diapasons in a 'romantic' or other scale tuning. The extension will have a fret board as well, but only the first 5 or maybe seven frets. Its fifth fret would be more or less aligned with the nut of the normal part. Perhaps the 5 lower strings will be tuned just like the top five but two octaves lower, i,e, A'D'G'BE. This would allow playing complex bass lines, albeit only in the 'first' position. What do you think?
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by HNLim » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:18 am

HNLim wrote:Oh dear! Now I am thinking of a 14-string guitar with this tuning.

CDEFGABCeadgbe. I am also thinking of adding sharping leavers on the bass strings. Any comments will be welcome.

Thank you.
I need some advice. Since I am planning to build a harp-guitar with such a low C bass, is the standard CG soundbox able to support such a low note. If nit, are there options available?
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Re: 14-string classical guitar

Post by kefroeschner » Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:48 am

To clear up a point, the tuning machines will be at the 'tail' end, i.e. below the bridge and the strings terminated in the usual small tie block at the upper end just past the nut. You would not be able to reach the second fret-board with the usual configuration.
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