8 string suggested tuning?

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BaRaN
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8 string suggested tuning?

Post by BaRaN » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:55 am

Hello guys. So I ordered my ibanez 8 string in june and I am still waiting. But it is going to be in my hands next month. So I started to think about tuning ideas. And I stuck in 3-4 tuning:(low to high)
F#BEADGBE(F#1 to E 4)
EBEADGBE(E1 to E4)
EAEADGBE(E1 to E4)
BEADGBEA(B1 to A4)
I want low E(F#) as much as high A. Actually my dream guitar is 9 string because of that reason :D
Soo what is your opinions on this 4 tuning? Maybe a better tuning idea too?

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by HNLim » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:01 pm

BaRaN wrote:Actually my dream guitar is 9 string because of that reason :D
Sell it and buy a 10-string, just in case you require an additional string.
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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by BaRaN » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:18 pm

:D good one. Maybe when I earn my own money.

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by mikfik » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:00 pm

With scale length of 650mm you can forget about a high a (a4) and a Low E (E1). a4 will be too tight and prone to breakage and E1 will be too fat and too loose and will sound crappy. My 8 string is tuned normal with 7th string D2 and 8th string between A1 up to C2 depending on the piece I'm playing.

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by BaRaN » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:14 pm

I actually managed to get a good a4 string and not that good d5 string on my not-useful beginner classical guitar (650mm). I am still working on D5 string but A4 is okay with 0.45-0.50 mm thickness.

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by entschwindet » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:34 pm

One to consider might be ADGCFADG, ie your fourth option but a step lower. Means you can play Dowland etc in the right key, and that the 1st string is a little less tight. The downside is that there's a lot of fretboard remapping to do...

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by Dan Seufert » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:48 pm

Are you thinking of the 9-string Brahm's guitar that Jack_Cat has? Or have you not seen the thread on that?

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by RobMacKillop » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:14 pm

entschwindet wrote:Means you can play Dowland etc in the right key.
Sorry, but that's not quite the case. We have no idea of the string length Dowland used for any given piece, and therefore we don't know what the pitch was, and therefore we don't know the key. There was a "nominal" pitch of g for the first string, but in reality it could have been a tone higher, or as low as an Eb for the first string. There is nothing in the tablature to indicate pitch or key.

And then there is temperament...

Best abandon any pretence at doing anything historical when it comes to the modern guitar, eight strings or otherwise.

My 8-string guitar video is in a fairly obscure tuning known in the 17th century as Harp Sharp, but I was playing from the lute tabs for that tuning. I only had the guitar for a week before selling it. Nothing can rival a lute for lute music.

On the other hand, I love the compositions for the ten-string guitar, Yepes' tuning. I'm sure they would sound awful on a lute!

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by Lockie » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:40 pm

Suggested 8 string tuning first 6 as normal 7th 060" wrapped nylon tuned to B below E 6th and 8th 070" wrapped nylon tuned to Gb below B 7th. This will give you a three octave range in the first position ( from a classical guitar point of view).

I use this tuning on the first 8 strings of a Cathedral guitar and it sounds good to me, by the way I play with my finger pads!

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by entschwindet » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:28 pm

Rob,

That's a fair point. Was thinking more about how in the collected edition it's written out on the staves that way.

A related question: maybe you have a view on why people tend to play baroque music A=415 but most elizabethan lute players appear to tune A=440? is it because there's literally no way of knowing so you might as well play to contemporary pitch standard?

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by RobMacKillop » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:41 pm

Pitch is a very confusing issue as regards early music. The Renaissance lute is often played today in ensembles, and that can often dictate the pitch. Whereas, baroque lutes tend to be used purely as solo instruments. I'm referring to the 11c and 13c instruments, not theorbos and arch lutes, etc.

It's a bit of a minefield, really, especially when you consider gut versus nylon strings as well. I actually like the situation, and don't want it to become standardised.

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Re: 8 string suggested tuning?

Post by BaRaN » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:53 pm

Dan Seufert wrote:Are you thinking of the 9-string Brahm's guitar that Jack_Cat has? Or have you not seen the thread on that?
Yes I have seen that guitar but lost the thread. And yes, I am talking about that type of tuning. But not the guitar. this guitar has unnecessary fanned fret. I managed yo get high A string on 650 mm and it is not tight that much. My dream guitar has 630-670 mm fans.

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